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New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

Laila

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Five Guantanamo Bay detainees alleged to have masterminded the September 11 attacks are to be taken to the United States to stand trial in a civilian court in New York, an Obama Administration official said today.

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and four alleged accomplices will be brought on to US soil for trial as part of President Obama’s pledge to close down the detention centre in Cuba.

The Attorney General Eric Holder is expected to officially announce the decision today.

Mr Obama initially planned to close Guantanamo by January 22 next year but the Administration is no longer expected to meet that deadline

New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind - Times Online

Interesting, they will be tried under a civilian court, I wonder if evidence obtained through questionable means will be dismissed
 
Let the terrorist sympathy begin.

I mean, he's just in need of therapy, like Hasan in Fort Hood. He's crazy, he's not a terrorist. C'mon.
 
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New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind - Times Online

Interesting, they will be tried under a civilian court, I wonder if evidence obtained through questionable means will be dismissed

It doesn't matter, no evidence will be entered, as soon as they set foot on U.S. soil they will be entitled to full Constitutional protections, their right to a speedy trial has been violated, thus they must all be released on this technicality which is precisely what the Harvard Law graduate boy king wants. These people were just responding to us white oppressors after all.
 
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This trial will probably last years.
 
Why? Their right to a speedy trial was violated. Case closed.

Can you imagine the backlash if this happens?

I can foresee a million armed man march on Washington.

(I realize this is a non-PC post..... I do not sanction the exclusion of women from this action)
 
Can you imagine the backlash if this happens?

I can't see for the life of me why it wouldn't, due to the fact that once they set foot on U.S. soil they will be afforded full Constitutional protections then it is clear that their right to a speedy trial was in fact violated and thus the indictments must be dismissed.
 
Can you imagine the backlash if this happens?

I can foresee a million armed man march on Washington.

(I realize this is a non-PC post..... I do not sanction the exclusion of women from this action)
What would be interesting is the military's response. How will they feel if these turds were to be released.
 
Laila;1058362598....Interesting said:
FYI:

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exclusionary_rule]Exclusionary rule - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
 
I can't see for the life of me why it wouldn't, due to the fact that once they set foot on U.S. soil they will be afforded full Constitutional protections then it is clear that their right to a speedy trial was in fact violated and thus the indictments must be dismissed.

Hopefully someone who knows the laws surrounding this better than me can answer this. Do constitutional rights apply retroactively? Until now, they've been held outside the US, so they didn't have a right to a speedy trial. I would think that as long as the trial takes place soon after they enter the US, then no rights have been violated.
 
The more I think of this - the absurdity, the outcry it will cause, the political fallout.....

I just can't believe we've reached a point where we're trying people from halfway around the world in our court system for plotting to fly two jumbo airliners into our two tallest buildings in New York!

Is this really what liberals want our country to look like?
 
The more I think of this - the absurdity, the outcry it will cause, the political fallout.....

I just can't believe we've reached a point where we're trying people from halfway around the world in our court system for plotting to fly two jumbo airliners into our two tallest buildings in New York!

Is this really what liberals want our country to look like?

Well they commited a crime in the US so putting them on trial in the U.S seams the logical responce. Remove the system for determining whether someone is innocent or not and innocent people suffer. As has been demonstrated by extraordionary rendition etc. This isnt about being sympathetic to terroists, its about ensuring the terroists are killed and innocent people arent. Would you prefer to live in a country where people were killed in the absence of evidence they were guilty?

I can understand that a free trial is more then any of Al Qaedas victims ever got but giving them this only exposes their folly and hypocrisy.
 
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Well they commited a crime in the US so putting them on trial in the U.S seams the logical responce. Remove the system for determining whether someone is innocent or not and innocent people suffer. As has been demonstrated by extraordionary rendition etc. This isnt about being sympathetic to terroists, its about ensuring the terroists are killed and innocent people arent. Would you prefer to live in a country where people were killed in the absence of evidence they were guilty?

I can understand that a free trial is more then any of Al Qaedas victims ever got but giving them this only exposes their folly and hypocrisy.

Yeah! Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is innocent. Free the Gitmo Five.:rofl

Are you familiar with the process known as "discovery" in legal circles? Do you know how the discovery process will be used to expose American intelligence sources? Is this one of the reasons why KSM wasn't tried in the US District Court (SDNY) in the first place?
 
Yeah! Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is innocent. Free the Gitmo Five.:rofl

Are you familiar with the process known as "discovery" in legal circles? Do you know how the discovery process will be used to expose American intelligence sources? Is this one of the reasons why KSM wasn't tried in the US District Court (SDNY) in the first place?

Oh for **** sake i never said he was innocent. I said theres a need for a system to determine whether he was innocent or guilty. All im arguing for is the level of civilization attained in 1679. Im amazed this is so controversial.
 
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I can't see for the life of me why it wouldn't, due to the fact that once they set foot on U.S. soil they will be afforded full Constitutional protections then it is clear that their right to a speedy trial was in fact violated and thus the indictments must be dismissed.

Fox News devoted a good deal of time re this issue this morning. The Administration of course is arguing that the public should be able to see and know of the proceedings in this trial and a military tribunal would deny that to them. They can't give a reason for that, but that is their 'reason' for bringing the five culprits to the USA for trial.

They are pooh poohing any possibility that a liberal judge might dismiss the case outright or release these guys on a technicality. If they are released they would be released IN the USA.

Another 'legal expert' stated an opinion that a military tribunal would probably be held and sentence pronounced within the next year; however, it will be at least a decade before opening arguments will be heard in a civil trial.

Conclusion: Our Muslim-sympathetic Administration is most likely throwing a bone to the Muslim world by ensuring that these guys will likely never go on trial until the current Administration is done and long gone.
 
I'm angered and baffled by this civil-court decision.

Aside everything that's already been mention . . .

Since when do civilian courts have the authority to make decisions which were once pertaining to federal government and military assigned issues and decisions? Surely some things are going to come into question and do the civi courts really have the authority to make calls in regard to those issues?
This brings into question issues of supremacy and so on - things that, in other cases in the past, the Supreme Court has been the only court to rule on.
 
The terrorist suspects are not typical enemy combattants. They'll be tried in civilian courts and people need to get over it. It's done. It's happening.

All that matters to me is that yet another campaign promise has gone down the drain as Obama is not going to meet the Gitmo closure deadline. Will he ever? The answer is probably no. Same coin, different side.
 
Oh for **** sake i never said he was innocent. I said theres a need for a system to determine whether he was innocent or guilty. All im arguing for is the level of civilization attained in 1679. Im amazed this is so controversial.

With all due respect, you are elevating form over substance. We already know that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is guilty because he admitted and asked to plead guilty. Do you remember this:

BBC NEWS | Americas | Top 9/11 suspects to plead guilty

Are you a lawyer?
 
The terrorist suspects are not typical enemy combattants. They'll be tried in civilian courts and people need to get over it. It's done. It's happening.

All that matters to me is that yet another campaign promise has gone down the drain as Obama is not going to meet the Gitmo closure deadline. Will he ever? The answer is probably no. Same coin, different side.

I agree. But that doesn't mean that a pound of flesh should not be extracted from Obama.
 
If this turns into a security nightmare and a media storm, God help us.
 
Start prayin! You know it's going to be agony.
 
I don't know if I can do that. In the possible words of Machiavelli, "Father, now is not the time to create new enemies."
 
AHHA! I was just reading Machiavelli - He can give Obama some advice:

"I hold that it much more secure to be feared than to be loved . . . love is held by a chain of obligation, which . . . is broken on every occasion for the sake of selfish profit; but their fear is secured by a dread of punishment which never fails you."

Hah! I read that and thought "I love this guy, too bad he's dead!"
I'd vote for Machiavelli any day :D
 
I'm angered and baffled by this civil-court decision.

Aside everything that's already been mention . . .

Since when do civilian courts have the authority to make decisions which were once pertaining to federal government and military assigned issues and decisions? Surely some things are going to come into question and do the civi courts really have the authority to make calls in regard to those issues?
This brings into question issues of supremacy and so on - things that, in other cases in the past, the Supreme Court has been the only court to rule on.
this is federal court. what's the issue here?
 
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