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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    How is the Constitution even relevant? He's an enemy combatant captured on foreign soil, which means he's not entitled to the legal rights enumerated in the US Constitution.
    Whether or not I'm inclined to agree with your position, the Supreme Court has said that this is incorrect in a series of cases addressing this question.
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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    What is truely amazing are people who do not see the extreme risk in this.

    We are going out of the military court and trying these Islamic Terrorists in the #1 target for terrorists in the United States.

    Islamic terrorists live for publicity and the Obama adminsitration has painted the world's largest target on the back of New York city which I am personally angry about since my sister lives there.

    He is putting millions of Americans in danger with no reason whatsoever. This could have been done in a military tribunal in Guantanamo Bay with little to no risk to American civilians.

    And lets not forget the extreme danger he is putting the judge and jury. Their lives will never be the same again.

    The Obama administration is now personally responsible for any Islamic terrorist attacks that occur because he is unnecessarily putting people at risk for a show trial designed only to attack the Bush administration.
    Do you actually think that the decision to host this trial here in NY will have a demonstrable impact on the threat of terrorism in the city? I find that hard to believe.

    Again, we've had plenty of terrorism trials here in NY and in other places. There were never any attacks as a result of them.
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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by rightinnyc View Post
    do you actually think that the decision to host this trial here in ny will have a demonstrable impact on the threat of terrorism in the city? I find that hard to believe.

    Again, we've had plenty of terrorism trials here in ny and in other places. There were never any attacks as a result of them.
    stop it! You're being factual and logical!
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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    If I ever catch you on one of your rants about freedom and liberty please remind me to bring up this post? Thanks.
    Khalid Sheik Mohammad was an enemy combatant captured on foreign soil by the Pakistani ISI, therefore, he was never entitled to the legal rights enumerated in the US Constitution.

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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Whether or not I'm inclined to agree with your position, the Supreme Court has said that this is incorrect in a series of cases addressing this question.
    I know the case to which you're referring, and the majority's reasoning was at odds with sanity. I believe Scalia summed it up quite nicely in his dissent.

    What are your thoughts?

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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Khalid Sheik Mohammad was an enemy combatant captured on foreign soil by the Pakistani ISI, therefore, he was never entitled to the legal rights enumerated in the US Constitution.
    Here I'll show you why you're a hypocrite and are intentionally being dense or just your usual inconsistent self. The best part is that I'll show you by quoting a piece Libertarians cum all over themselves quoting constantly which just goes to show what a face palm moment this will be for you :

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed;[6]
    But I'm sure they weren't talking about fair trials. They were just talking about the silly stuff like voting and becoming president. Your hypocrisy is showing Ethereal.
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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Apparently.



    Which is exactly what I pointed out 3 hours ago.



    And if the government doesn't seek to offer sensitive evidence, then this is a non-issue.



    Again, what are you basing this on?

    Jose Padilla was indicted on Nov. 22, 2005, convicted on Aug. 16, 2007, and sentenced on Jan 22, 2008. That's 21 months from indictment to conviction and 26 months from indictment to sentencing. Ramzi Yousef went from being captured in Islamabad to being convicted and sentenced to life in prison in around 18 months. The blind sheikh went from indictment to verdict in a little over 2 years.



    And neither of those will come into play if they don't seek to introduce evidence obtained from him while he was at Gitmo or if they think that the evidence they do plan to introduce will be otherwise admissible.

    Again, I'm going to go our on a limb here and guess that the USAO in NY and main DoJ have a better idea of how to handle this case than you or I do. The fact that they're only moving a few detainees to NY for trial while charging others in military commissions and leaving the rest in detention indicates that they've thought this over pretty thoroughly.
    Zacarias Moussaoui, arrested 2001, sentenced 2006.

    Eric Holder was the Justice Dept. official who made the political decision during the Clinton Administration to overrule career prosecutors and recommentd the pardon of Marc Rich. Remember? Based on his record political considerations are relevant criteria in the administration of justice. Otherwise, how do you explain the pardon of Marc Rich?

    Why has Obama created a two tier system of justice with some detainees receiving trials before a military tribunal and other detainees receiving trials in the federal court system? If you don't know say so and I won't ask again, but don't ask me to have faith in Eric Holder or Obama.

    Why do I say this is as much a political decision as a legal decision? The Gitmo Five trials will be a massive anti-American propaganda circus. The defendants will put the prior administration on trial. This will please Obama's base.

    One of us is too naive and the other is a tad too cynical based on his experience.

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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Do you actually think that the decision to host this trial here in NY will have a demonstrable impact on the threat of terrorism in the city? I find that hard to believe.
    How can you not?

    This is a trial the world will be watching. Do you really think Islamic Terrorists would pass up a chance for that kind of publicity?

    Again, we've had plenty of terrorism trials here in NY and in other places. There were never any attacks as a result of them.
    You've never had a show trial like this with these kinds of terrorists for defendants.
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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Here I'll show you why you're a hypocrite and are intentionally being dense or just your usual inconsistent self. The best part is that I'll show you by quoting a piece Libertarians cum all over themselves quoting constantly which just goes to show what a face palm moment this will be for you :



    But I'm sure they weren't talking about fair trials. They were just talking about the silly stuff like voting and becoming president. Your hypocrisy is showing Ethereal.
    So, you construe the DOI's language to mean that enemy combatants captured on foreign soil are entitled to the legal rights enumerated in the US Constitution?

    Your idiocy knows no bounds.

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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I doubt the cost of this trial will be anything approaching hundreds of millions.
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    How do you know? There will be separate trials.
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