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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    He can't get a fair trial in New York because he helped kill 3,000 New Yorkers. He already confessed to it. The man should be summarily executed and thrown into a shallow grave.
    If the end result will be the same, why not get there by a method which doesn't make us look like we're completely ignoring the constitution?

    Again, this guy is not walking free regardless of how this plays out.
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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    This is another huge blunder by the Obama administration..........To bring the terrorists into New York in the shadows of the twin towers is insane..It will become a show trial with these scumbags putting on a show..........God forbid we take another hit while the trial is going on...........This is just more proof that Hussein Obama is clueless and does not know what he is doing..........

    This nation was founded upon the idea of everyone, no matter what the case, having rights when in the US. Practicing the ideal is far from stupid. I applaud Obama for this decision, when these terrorists are found guilty in a fair court, it will be a day that we show that we will not forfeit our ideals to fear.

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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottD View Post
    This nation was founded upon the idea of everyone, no matter what the case, having rights when in the US. Practicing the ideal is far from stupid.
    Actually, this country was founded upon that idea that every American citizen having those rights, not extending them to every scum bag around the world.

    I applaud Obama for this decision, when these terrorists are found guilty in a fair court, it will be a day that we show that we will not forfeit our ideals to fear.
    And, that's supposed to impress, who? You think the Muslims will hate us less because we gave these goofballs a fair trial?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post

    Again, this guy is not walking free regardless of how this plays out.
    Why waste time? Take him out back, put a couple rounds in the back of his head, then burn his body.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    If the end result will be the same, why not get there by a method which doesn't make us look like we're completely ignoring the constitution?
    How is the Constitution even relevant? He's an enemy combatant captured on foreign soil, which means he's not entitled to the legal rights enumerated in the US Constitution.

    Again, this guy is not walking free regardless of how this plays out.
    Of course, but do we really need to spend all this time, effort, and money on something that's essentially already decided?

    Why give him the validation of having a trial and a podium from which to spew his anti-American rhetoric?

    Why put the surrounding area at increased risk?

    Why send the message to our enemies that you could end up in the American judicial system instead of being tried by a military tribunal, AKA, captured and killed?

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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottD View Post
    This nation was founded upon the idea of everyone, no matter what the case, having rights when in the US. Practicing the ideal is far from stupid. I applaud Obama for this decision, when these terrorists are found guilty in a fair court, it will be a day that we show that we will not forfeit our ideals to fear.
    Yea, that'll really show those terrorists. I'm sure they're quaking in their boots at the thought of a fair trial.

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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I think people are freaking out without understanding what's going on.

    That's not how the law works, at all. Speedy trial kicks in once you're indicted.

    Is it any crazier than trying people from halfway around the world in our court system for plotting to blow up the world trade center with a truck bomb?

    We've done this for years and it's worked just fine. The blind sheik, Ramzi Yousef, John Walker Lindh and others have all been convicted in civilian courts. It worked just fine when Bush and Clinton did it, so I don't see any reason to think it wont work when Obama does it.

    Are you familiar with the fact that they don't have to turn over all their sources? Or with the fact that they wouldn't bring a civilian prosecution if they didn't have admissible evidence to convict them on? Or with the fact that they've already stated their desire to plead guilty, thus obviating the need for discovery?

    Good for Fox News, because they're absolutely right. It's not happening, as much as it seems some on here would love it.

    No they would not.

    That "legal expert" is a goddamn moron. Again we've done this many times before. This is not some new thing that Obama is just making up.

    Conclusion: People will use any excuse to attack their political opponents on something, even if they don't have the slightest clue what they're talking about.
    Stop knowing the law so much. You're making their hysterics seem well....hysterical.
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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Yea, that'll really show those terrorists. I'm sure they're quaking in their boots at the thought of a fair trial.
    If I ever catch you on one of your rants about freedom and liberty please remind me to bring up this post? Thanks.
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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Why waste time? Take him out back, put a couple rounds in the back of his head, then burn his body.
    Who says we are putting on a show? We are standing for our ideals, not making a Broadway play.

    A trial was done for the soldiers in the Boston Massacre, a trial was done for the perpetrator of the Oklahoma City bombing, a trial has been done for many people, no matter how atrocious their crimes, no matter how obvious their guilt. Never failed us yet, why stop now?

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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Why waste time? Take him out back, put a couple rounds in the back of his head, then burn his body.
    What is truely amazing are people who do not see the extreme risk in this.

    We are going out of the military court and trying these Islamic Terrorists in the #1 target for terrorists in the United States.

    Islamic terrorists live for publicity and the Obama adminsitration has painted the world's largest target on the back of New York city which I am personally angry about since my sister lives there.

    He is putting millions of Americans in danger with no reason whatsoever. This could have been done in a military tribunal in Guantanamo Bay with little to no risk to American civilians.

    And lets not forget the extreme danger he is putting the judge and jury. Their lives will never be the same again.

    The Obama administration is now personally responsible for any Islamic terrorist attacks that occur during that show trial because he is unnecessarily putting people at risk for a show trial designed only to attack the Bush administration.
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