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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    If AG Holder thought that there was even a one in a thousand chance that these people would be acquitted, he would have never allowed this to go forward in the federal court system.

    Hell, even if they were somehow acquitted, that doesn't mean that Obama wouldn't simply exercise his "post-acquittal detention power" to keep them in custody anyway.
    But then that suggests the cases against them are rigged. Not quite a constitutional view of a "fair" court hearing of one's peers. That is exactly what I was afraid of...
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    This trial is a giant waste of time and money; money we do not have.

    He's already confessed to the crime and welcomes the death penalty. Do we really need to spend hundreds of millions of dollars in order to have some silly show trial? Just blindfold the ****er and shoot him in the head.
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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Lawyers are a dime a dozen aren't they.
    Apparently.

    Counselor, in US District Court criminal defendants have an absolute right to see the evidence to be used against them. That means the Govt. will have to pick and choose what evidence to use because defense counsel will have a complete opportunity to evaluate it.
    Which is exactly what I pointed out 3 hours ago.

    While the District Court can place protective orders or limitations on the viewing or disclosure of particular items of evidence, non-disclosure of the evidence depends on defense counsel. As a practical matter the loyalty of defense counsel must be to the defendant. As such the information gained by defense counsel will be used as leverage against the Govt. and for his or her client. That's just good advocacy.
    And if the government doesn't seek to offer sensitive evidence, then this is a non-issue.

    The choice of US District Court (SDNY) is as much a political decision as a legal decision. Please remember that it will be at least five years before these trials are over.
    Again, what are you basing this on?

    Jose Padilla was indicted on Nov. 22, 2005, convicted on Aug. 16, 2007, and sentenced on Jan 22, 2008. That's 21 months from indictment to conviction and 26 months from indictment to sentencing. Ramzi Yousef went from being captured in Islamabad to being convicted and sentenced to life in prison in around 18 months. The blind sheikh went from indictment to verdict in a little over 2 years.

    Obama throws a sop to his base. There may be convictions on some charges, eg., jaywalking (jk), but there is no certainty that the Gitmo Five will be convicted on the primary charges. The exclusionary rule and fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine create tremendous evidentiary uncertainty.
    And neither of those will come into play if they don't seek to introduce evidence obtained from him while he was at Gitmo or if they think that the evidence they do plan to introduce will be otherwise admissible.

    Again, I'm going to go our on a limb here and guess that the USAO in NY and main DoJ have a better idea of how to handle this case than you or I do. The fact that they're only moving a few detainees to NY for trial while charging others in military commissions and leaving the rest in detention indicates that they've thought this over pretty thoroughly.
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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    In a Chicago hog fattening yard....
    We should burry his body with a pig carcass.

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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    This trial is a giant waste of time and money; money we do not have.

    He's already confessed to the crime and welcomes the death penalty. Do we really need to spend hundreds of millions of dollars in order to have some silly show trial? Just blindfold the ****er and shoot him in the head.
    I doubt the cost of this trial will be anything approaching hundreds of millions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    But then that suggests the cases against them are rigged. Not quite a constitutional view of a "fair" court hearing of one's peers. That is exactly what I was afraid of...
    This is a completely valid concern, but we'll just have to wait and see.
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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    This is another huge blunder by the Obama administration..........To bring the terrorists into New York in the shadows of the twin towers is insane..It will become a show trial with these scumbags putting on a show..........God forbid we take another hit while the trial is going on...........This is just more proof that Hussein Obama is clueless and does not know what he is doing..........
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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I doubt the cost of this trial will be anything approaching hundreds of millions.
    Accounting for security operations I wouldn't be surprised at all if it approached that amount.

    Regardless, it's still a waste of money. There's no need for this, at all.

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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    I like how he's referred to as, "alleged", mastermind of 9/11.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I like how he's referred to as, "alleged", mastermind of 9/11.
    All the papers are doing that now, which I think is a good thing for the purposes of this trial. If the front page of the NYT said "Mastermind behind 9/11 to face trial in NY," that would be exhibit 1 in the defense attorney's argument for why he can't get a fair trial in NY.
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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    All the papers are doing that now, which I think is a good thing for the purposes of this trial. If the front page of the NYT said "Mastermind behind 9/11 to face trial in NY," that would be exhibit 1 in the defense attorney's argument for why he can't get a fair trial in NY.
    He can't get a fair trial in New York because he helped kill 3,000 New Yorkers. He already confessed to it. The man should be summarily executed and thrown into a shallow grave.

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