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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post

    Obama is a Muslim

    No he's not. This garbage is seriously getting old.
    I don't know if he believes the Quran or not, though he was corrected in an on-screen interview on ABC when Obama referred to his 'Muslim faith'. The interviewer corrected him, "You mean your Christian faith." Obama repeated, 'my Christian faith' and then forged right on, not the least bit flustered at what some could easily perceive as a Freudian slip.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKGdkqfBICw"]YouTube- Obama: "My Muslim Faith"[/ame]

    It doesn't really matter whether Obama is a Muslim, however, because in so many ways. . .

    --his bowing to the Saudi king, something only a deferential Muslim would presume to do. . .

    --his statement that America is no longer a Christian nation. . . .

    --his statement to a Muslim crowd that "I am one of you. . ."

    --his many adulations, compliments, gushy rhetoric, and overtures to Islamic culture, some of which he had to make up while never, to my recollection, saying anything remotely comparable about the Christian faith.

    --his continual apologies for America being the really crappy country that he sometimes seems to think it is. . . .

    --his quick refusal to attribute Islamic radicalism as the reason for the Fort Hood massacre. . .

    , , ,he doesn't have to be Muslim. All of this has convinced Muslim peoples around the world that he is Muslim and that is enough.

    And therefore, I think speculation that he has no intention of putting five radicalized Muslim murderous terrorists on trial during his administration is not that far off base.
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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Oh for **** sake i never said he was innocent. I said theres a need for a system to determine whether he was innocent or guilty. All im arguing for is the level of civilization attained in 1679. Im amazed this is so controversial.
    lmfao, and how does trying war criminals by military commission make us less civilized?

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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    this is federal court. what's the issue here?
    The issue is that they will be released on a technicality as they have been denied their right to a speedy trial, much of the evidence was obtained through coercive interrogation, and the chain of evidence will not hold up under civilian standards. The issue is that these are not civilians, they are unlawful enemy combatant war criminals who should be tried by military commission.

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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    The Liberals hope they walk. That way, they can have something else to bash Bush with.

    Make no mistake, these clowns aren't on trial, Bush and the United States are on trial.
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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    The issue is that they will be released on a technicality as they have been denied their right to a speedy trial, much of the evidence was obtained through coercive interrogation, and the chain of evidence will not hold up under civilian standards. The issue is that these are not civilians, they are unlawful enemy combatant war criminals who should be tried by military commission.
    Again, you don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about. Speedy trial kicks in after indictment. Please stop spreading misinformation.
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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post

    That's not how the law works, at all. Speedy trial kicks in once you're indicted.
    Oh ya prove it, the entire point of the right to a speedy trial is to prevent lengthy incarceration prior to a trial, it starts once the suspect is detained and infact in some instances kicks in at the point of the commission of the crime itself.

    Is it any crazier than trying people from halfway around the world in our court system for plotting to blow up the world trade center with a truck bomb?
    Ya that was pretty crazy as it directly led to the 9-11 attacks because due to the trial of Ramzi Yousef, Operation Able Danger was not able to contact the FBI with pertinent information regarding the 9-11 attackers.

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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    *sigh* The whole Obama Muslim thing. . . I don't like him, didn't vote for him, but I don't buy into those things as a means to be against him. There are countless legitimate reasons to have a beef with the man.

    Even if he was a Muslim would that matter?

    My life, religiously, mirrors his - and I'm definitely not a Christian.
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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    --his bowing to the Saudi king, something only a deferential Muslim would presume to do. . .
    Unintelligent move by Obama but has nothing to do with Islam.

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    --his statement that America is no longer a Christian nation. . . .
    We aren't. America has no nationally recognized religion.

    Obama's statement: "Given the increasing diversity of America's population, the dangers of sectarianism have never been greater. Whatever we once were, we are no longer just a Christian nation; we are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers."


    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    --his statement to a Muslim crowd that "I am one of you. . ."
    Please provide full context.

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    --his many adulations, compliments, gushy rhetoric, and overtures to Islamic culture, some of which he had to make up while never, to my recollection, saying anything remotely comparable about the Christian faith.
    We are not trying to convince the Christian faith that American is not at war with the faith. We are trying to convince the 1.5 billion muslims in the world American is not at war wtih them, only the radical terrorists groups taht attack us.

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    --his continual apologies for America being the really crappy country that he sometimes seems to think it is. . . .
    All part of trying to increase diplomatic relations that Bush dragged through the mud for eight years.

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    --his quick refusal to attribute Islamic radicalism as the reason for the Fort Hood massacre. . .
    Because there was no evidence of it other then the man being a Muslim and visiting the Middle East, which almost every Muslims has done.

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    he doesn't have to be Muslim.
    That's good because he's not. He's Christian.

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    All of this has convinced Muslim peoples around the world that he is Muslim and that is enough.
    The only people that believe Obama is a Muslim are the anti-Obama crowd in this country.

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    And therefore, I think speculation that he has no intention of putting five radicalized Muslim murderous terrorists on trial during his administration is not that far off base.
    Would you also assume that any Christian President would have no intention of putting 5 Christians on trial for murder? Or do your assumptions only apply to Muslims?
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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Liberals hope they walk. That way, they can have something else to bash Bush with.

    Make no mistake, these clowns aren't on trial, Bush and the United States are on trial.
    Please source liberals that believe these men should be freed and are being wrongly convicted. I haven't seen any.
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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    No, it won't. The government will decide what sources it wants to rely on to make its charges.



    Again, this doesn't mean that he gets to "confront" every bit of evidence against him, but only what the prosecutors choose to offer. By making the decision to bring these trials in a regular court, it seems obvious that the Justice Department feels that it has enough non-classified evidence to win the trials without exposing any national security secrets.



    I don't see how that's even remotely analogous, because we didn't have an alternative method of trying Wen Ho Lee, while we had another method available here (and are using it for five others).



    I didn't say that their desire to plead guilty would be admissible against them - I said it to highlight the fact that they recognize the strength of the evidence against them and are in all probability okay with being sentenced to prison as part of their desire to get out of Gitmo and become martyrs.
    Have you ever tried a criminal case in US District Court? If not, how do you know the things you aver?

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