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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Jones View Post
    I believe we should have gone in well before we did. Hussein did a lot of nasties - trust that his own people did not hang him for nothing.

    He was at his murderous worst when we supported him and Rumsfeld was over shaking hands with him. Oh but that was when he still allowed US oil in Iraq.

    He invaded and brutalized Kuwait,

    After Kuwait had drilled into their oil fields, no concern of ours except to the threat of our oil spigots in Kuwait.

    and was responsible for training and arming many terrorists, who he harbored in Iraq before and after 9/11.

    The Pentagon determined their was no al-Qaeda/Iraq connection.

    Here's a little read for you to get an idea of just how bad the iraqis needed to be liberated from the tyranny they were under - it was written before we went in, and we all know it turned out to be much worse than they ever thought when many, many - too many - mass graves and tourture facilities were discovered:

    Had nothing to do with our invasion and occupation since that behavior was not a problem for us when our oil companies were allowed there.

    DOING the arithmetic is an imprecise venture. The largest number of deaths attributable to Mr. Hussein's regime resulted from the war between Iraq and Iran between 1980 and 1988, which was launched by Mr. Hussein. Iraq says its own toll was 500,000, and Iran's reckoning ranges upward of 300,000. Then there are the casualties in the wake of Iraq's 1990 occupation of Kuwait. Iraq's official toll from American bombing in that war is 100,000 surely a gross exaggeration but nobody contests that thousands of Iraqi soldiers and civilians were killed in the American campaign to oust Mr. Hussein's forces from Kuwait. In addition, 1,000 Kuwaitis died during the fighting and occupation in their country.
    How much oil do you think those deaths are worth? What is the proper blood for oil ratio?
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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Easy for you to say. Your country was not invaded and occupied.

    See, this is the problem with arguing with liberals. Generally you are all over the place here. You come up with a 100K number, and when you know you are about to be called on using faulty Lancet numbers to form your outrageous claim, then you say 'Well, I wasn't talking about now, I was talking about Gulf I'.

    In Gulf I, although we had some units in country, we were there to liberate Kuwait, and we succeeded. Even though we had forces that knew where Saddam, and his murderous sons were, and were biting at the chance to take them out, they were told to back off. I know because I had one of my best friends in the 101st, begging his commander to let them go and get him.

    We stuck to U.N. mandates just like you libs always want, and sold out the Iraqi people that stood up to Saddam watching them be slaughtered while we left. But that's all good with libs like you isn't it? Because Saddam slaughtering his people, was our fault too right?


    If our puppet government there cannot stand against its own people without our continued occupation, what exactly is it we won worth tens of thousands of civilian deaths brought about by our invasion?

    In reading your words I am left wondering who you support? are you ba'athist? A fundamental non understanding of how conventional warfare works is both apparent, and sad in your postings.


    Stop loss orders would not have used for so many troops if there were more support for the war on terror.
    Yes, liberals were very good at propaganda aimed at weakening our defenses....You should be proud that you may the the "enemy within" that so many talk about over the centuries that brings down great countries like ours.


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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    How much oil do you think those deaths are worth? What is the proper blood for oil ratio?

    Answer to your first question: All of it - each and every drop.

    Answer to your second question: Whatever it takes.


    Now let me explain;

    First, we had to take the battles to them. They struck one blow too many with 9/11. They declared war against us - we did not declare war against them, and we still haven't - but if we do, we would roll like nobody's business.

    We went into Afghanistan to go after Al Qaeda and the Taliban - quite a few members of which fled to Iraq and Pakistan where we are battling them.

    Hussein took in a lot of the Al Qaeda, harbored them, allowed them to continue training, and armed and supported them finacially. Hussein was also paying family members of suicide bombers so suicide bombers would walk into markets, restaurants, wherever, and bring terror to many places and people.

    On top of this he bruatized Kuwait and his own people.

    Enough is enough - he had to go for the good of Iraqis and the world.

    Second, the oil fields in southern Iraq are said to have more oil than in Saudi Arabia. Now that we are there we must make sure that the oil there falls into the hands of the people of Iraq and not Iran - and that is what we are doing - whatever it takes.

    Geez - Saudi Arabia has oil, why do you suppose we don't take it from them?
    Because that is not what we do. We buy or oil. We buy it on the open market, and mainly from OPEC.

    The BS line that we are in war to take oil is retarded. If that were the case we wouldn't be buying it from OPEC anymore. Besides, we have been paying higher prices since we went in to take the battle to those who declared war against us, so like I said - it is retarded to think we are battling Islamo-Nazism for oil for ourslves.

    Saudi Arabia has even been living amongst the Islamic Nazis - they have been targeted too - they hate it - and they welcome the help from the United States who is helping to bring stability to the region - and we are not alone - our allies, from Australia through Europe to Canada, have been helping too - sure, they walk on eggshells because of fear of suicide bombers going off in their markets too, but they know the real of it and are all for stomping out those who have declared war on the civilized world.

    If it were the case that we were in there for oil, our allies, to include Saudia Arabia, Pakistan and Kuwait would not be behind us - but they are. Even Russia, China and India know we are right on this one - everybody but the Islamo-Nazis know we are right - and that is because they are wrong - good people of the world can live with diversity.
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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    DAVID GREGORY, of all people (nbc's mtp has been by far the friendliest to the white house of all the sunday talks):

    gregory, questioning 4 senators, this morning, difi, jiltin joe lieberman, whip durbin and kb hutchinson (who might as well not have been there):

    gregory premises thus: charles krauthammer writes, what if ksm is found not guilty, everyone knows he won't walk, ag holder has said so

    gregory queries: if the result of the trial is "presupposed," doesn't that make this a "show trial," just politics, everyone knows ksm will not be allowed to walk?

    wow, even nbc knows

    the answers to gregory's inquiry were not at all revealing of anything new

    nbc presuming something like ksm is a show trial is a lot like broder blurting his view that the apologist is a "ditherer" when it comes to afghanistan

    broder also broadsided---obamacare is a "budget buster"

    everyone knows

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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    obama/holder broadcast to the crazies of the world---if you attack american military and you are captured, you will be brought before a military tribunal

    if, on the other hand, you assassinate little girls and their grammas in a lower east side pizza parlor, you will be beneficiary of all the rights and privileges enjoyed by oj and michael jackson

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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    See, this is the problem with arguing with liberals. Generally you are all over the place here....
    He has a weak spot that can't be hidden by glib sophistry. Focus on it and force him on to defense. His weakness is that everything he condemns is now happening, and will continue to happen, under the authority of Barack Obama. He loves Obama. That forces him into a fundamentally inconsistent position. To the extent he castigates current America, he sets up Obama for a beating. Make him talk about Obama's policies.

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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    yes, make them talk about obama's policies

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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind - Times Online

    Interesting, they will be tried under a civilian court, I wonder if evidence obtained through questionable means will be dismissed


    They should ivestigate all their connections to see if the CIA lured these willing attackers onto the planes that may have been remotely operated to control hitting precise targets?

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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by creativedreams View Post
    They should ivestigate all their connections to see if the CIA lured these willing attackers onto the planes that may have been remotely operated to control hitting precise targets?
    Here we go...

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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    See, this is the problem with arguing with liberals. Generally you are all over the place here. You come up with a 100K number, and when you know you are about to be called on using faulty Lancet numbers to form your outrageous claim, then you say 'Well, I wasn't talking about now, I was talking about Gulf I'.

    The numbers I quoted were from Iraq Body Count that you thought were from Lancet.

    In Gulf I, although we had some units in country, we were there to liberate Kuwait, and we succeeded.

    We were there to protect our oil spigots, and we succeeded.

    Even though we had forces that knew where Saddam, and his murderous sons were, and were biting at the chance to take them out, they were told to back off. I know because I had one of my best friends in the 101st, begging his commander to let them go and get him.

    Right because we bombed them back a century, which is how long it would be before they could threaten our spigots in Kuwait again. Not to mention the 100,000 innocent civilians we killed.

    We stuck to U.N. mandates just like you libs always want, and sold out the Iraqi people that stood up to Saddam watching them be slaughtered while we left. But that's all good with libs like you isn't it? Because Saddam slaughtering his people, was our fault too right?

    We were his ally when he was at his murderous worst. But that was before he kicked the US oil companies out of Iraq.

    In reading your words I am left wondering who you support? are you ba'athist? A fundamental non understanding of how conventional warfare works is both apparent, and sad in your postings.

    I am a humanist, I oppose terrorist actions no matter the flag. I don't believe that the ends justify the means like the Islamic and Christian extremists believe.

    Yes, liberals were very good at propaganda aimed at weakening our defenses....You should be proud that you may the the "enemy within" that so many talk about over the centuries that brings down great countries like ours.
    That's right from Hermann Goering's playbook ~ "the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY."
    Last edited by Catawba; 11-22-09 at 11:11 PM.
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