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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    And I prefer that to Bush's approach.
    That's fine. I'm asking why you keep saying the following:

    Because the Justice Dept. is proceeding without legal challenge.
    Please go back and reread what you wrote.

    I explained the new system. You said "Absolutely not," though you now say that you understand and prefer the new system. That makes absolutely no sense.


    You got me there, I have no idea what point you are trying to make.
    If I treat the detainees like unlawful combatants, does it matter whether I call them "unlawful combatants," "nonprotected persons," or "strawberry muffins"?

    How would you know what I think better than I do? I have never said I agree with him on everything.
    You said that this somehow demonstrates Obama's commitment to the "rule of law." That's patently false, as eloquently explained by someone who is a fan of the decision:

    http://volokh.com/2009/11/18/why-has...ivilian-court/
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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Catawba,

    The quote feature looks like this:

    Please learn how to use it.

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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Is everyone on the planet entitled to Constitutional due process?
    Only if we want to decrease the recruitment capability of the terrorists which I feel should be our goal for our national security.
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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Catawba,

    The quote feature looks like this:
    Yeppers it does. Please stop asking questions that have already been answered. This was addressed here.
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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Only if we want to decrease the recruitment capability of the terrorists which I feel should be our goal for our national security.
    Nobody becomes a terrorist because of the legal circumstances surrounding unlawful enemy combatants; to think as much is patently absurd. People become terrorists due to ignorance or poverty, and there is no shortage of either. If you actually think someone is going to risk their life fighting the American military because of the legal status of KSM then you're just foolish.

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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yeppers it does. Please stop asking questions that have already been answered. This was addressed here.
    Learn how to use it. It has nothing to do with your computer.

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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Learn how to use it. It has nothing to do with your computer.
    I don't know about that.... it might have a very ignorant main processor.
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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i think it's a good thing these trials will be held in daylight. good for us, and good for our reputation.

    and justice will be done.
    I see no good coming out of this whatsoever. This appears to be a political selfish move and that is all. This appears to be a front for future political attacks on the CIA and previous administrations. May as well make them US citizens at this point. Whoopee.
    Thank you

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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post

    I explained the new system. You said "Absolutely not," though you now say that you understand and prefer the new system. That makes absolutely no sense.

    I prefer the terrorist being brought to justice in a more transparent federal court system over the Bush method of holding them without trial. I don't know how to make that anymore clear to you.

    If I treat the detainees like unlawful combatants, does it matter whether I call them "unlawful combatants," "nonprotected persons," or "strawberry muffins"?

    Except that one involves holding them indefinitely without a trial and the other allows them a trial by jury in a federal court system.


    You said that this somehow demonstrates Obama's commitment to the "rule of law." That's patently false, as eloquently explained by someone who is a fan of the decision:

    http://volokh.com/2009/11/18/why-has...ivilian-court/
    An internet blog plays what role in our criminal justice system?
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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Nobody becomes a terrorist because of the legal circumstances surrounding unlawful enemy combatants; to think as much is patently absurd. People become terrorists due to ignorance or poverty, and there is no shortage of either. If you actually think someone is going to risk their life fighting the American military because of the legal status of KSM then you're just foolish.
    Thanks for your opinion. That's probably enough to change the Justice Departments plans.
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