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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    I need to bookmark this, so I can watch it after I eat.
    "I do not underestimate the ability of fanatical groups of terrorists to kill and destroy, but they do not threaten the life of the nation. Whether we would survive Hitler hung in the balance, but there is no doubt that we shall survive al-Qa'ida." -- Lord Hoffmann

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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh God I love it's always sunny.

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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
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    -If you're right, then it means Obama is willing to take the risk of KSM being acquitted in order to have a chance to pillory the Bush administration's practices. I don't know that I can believe that, as it seems like a huge risk to take in order to get an advantage that could have been realized is several other ways. Obama has continuously taken the middle-road approach toward looking back at the Yoo crew, despite the fact that if he wanted to score some points on this issue, that would have been the low-hanging fruit.

    -Even if we can attribute these motives to Obama, who is seeking reelection, he's not the only one who's involved in this process. For someone like Preet Bharara, a loss on the KSM trial would be career suicide. I can't imagine that he and the USA for the EDVA would be fighting to get this case if they weren't near-certain of victory. Lawyers may play all sorts of games, but they're also risk-averse (otherwise they'd be bankers).

    In the end, it may well be that Obama schemed this whole plan up in order to get a political advantage. However, since we'll never really know, I can only really judge his decision by the outcome.
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    "Paranoia strikes deep. Into your heart it will creep."

    I agree it's hard to believe. I think Obama is taking what he believes to be a calculated risk. If Obama has Holder attack Yoo and the other neocon legal advisors, CIA and military/contractor interrogators directly he risks a political counterattack by the Right.

    By giving KSM and his gang a world stage as a circus Obama knows that the Bush Administration, et al., will be savagely pilloried. Yet Obama will be able to claim "clean hands." In other words Obama is having someone else do his dirty work while he preserves plausible deniability. By preserving deniability Obama doesn't give the Right a political target on this issue. Finally, imo Obama may very well believe that the pace of prosecution will be such that any possible acquittal will occur after the 2012 election. After that he probably doesn't care.

    If I am correct does this make Obama evil? Imo, no. It means he is a hard hearted, cold and calculating politician. He's merely one in a long line of tragic disappointments for our long suffering people.

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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Racism or racialism isn't funny. It hurts. It divides. It demeans. In your case it draws unwanted attention.
    Arch is not being racist; it was a good-natured joke. Simmer down, young child.

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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Arch is not being racist; it was a good-natured joke. Simmer down, young child.
    Ok I'll simmer down. However, since you've made it your business to engage me let's have a comprehensive debate. What say you? The subject of this thread is the NY trial for the alleged 9/11 mastermind. What do you think about the decision to bring KSM and the other members of the Gitmo Five to the US District Court (SDNY) for trial? I'm interested in your conclusion on this subject and the reasons underlying your conclusion. Please state them. Thanks.

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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The more I think of this - the absurdity, the outcry it will cause, the political fallout.....

    I just can't believe we've reached a point where we're trying people from halfway around the world in our court system for plotting to fly two jumbo airliners into our two tallest buildings in New York!

    Is this really what liberals want our country to look like?
    You mean due process of law? That's a basic part of even your value system.....isn't it?

    You mean a fair an open trial in the very place where the crime took place?

    You mean showing the world we've decided to go back to our basic values?

    Yes this is really what the liberals want our country to look like.

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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by tjinta ibis View Post
    You mean due process of law? That's a basic part of even your value system.....isn't it?

    You mean a fair an open trial in the very place where the crime took place?

    You mean showing the world we've decided to go back to our basic values?

    Yes this is really what the liberals want our country to look like.
    Unless they are found not guilty, then what happens?

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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    If this turns into a security nightmare
    And the Mcveigh trial?
    and a media storm, God help us.
    Afraid of transparency?

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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    How better way to insure putting the Government and interrogators on tril and getting his confession thrown out because it was obtained under duress.

    I would not be surprised to find that these moves for trail to NY were Obama's own idea.

    Obama has shown his racial prejudice in The arrest case of Henry Louis Gates Jr., the release and dropping of charges of the Convicted Black Panthers for intimidation at the polls last year, the firing of the IG who was investigating the crooked Black Mayor of Sacramento CA.

    he has shown his prejudice in favor of anything Muslim in his speeches while in the Middle east, his bowing to Royalty in Saudi Arabia, his order that the term terrorism be replaced with "human caused disasters', and his latest example id his refusal to refer to Islamic Terrorist Hasan as such in the face of overwhelming evidence.

    Mark my words Obama will in the future use the fact that this poor misunderstood picked on Major Hasan is paralyzed as an excuse to commute his death sentence when the time comes. Obama would have done it for DC sniper John Allen Muhammad if he had the power by fortunately obama can't commute sentences that come down in State Courts. Thank Allah for small favors.

    Obama is a Muslim and remember they are allowed to lie to us infidels but they have to come to the aid of their fellow Islamists. Look for more of it to come as he gets closer to his goals of Socialism/Marxism.

    What was it Obama said in a speech in the middle East earlier this year? Oh yes he opened by saying to the Muslim hordes: showmeyourassesIliketolickem.. Or something like that.
    Your mother called: she wants you to go back on your meds.

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    Re: New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind

    Quote Originally Posted by tjinta ibis View Post
    Your mother called: she wants you to go back on your meds.
    Watch it now, that is flaming, baiting, and being a jerk.

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