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    Re: Bush warns of threats to freedom, economic growth

    In addition to, not as a substitute for, individual responsibility, there is a collective responsibility. A riot of lawless business individualism would be quite as destructive to real civilization as the lawless military individualism of the Dark Ages.
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    Re: Bush warns of threats to freedom, economic growth

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    But often can they be twisted and distorted.
    True. So, now it's up to those who don't believe what the numbers are telling them to come up with facts and figures to disprove what has been presented.

    Good Luck.

    (And please, don't get me wrong. While I do lean more on the side of those who say GWB hide alot of his buget figures from the general public as far as what the deficit truly looked like under his watch, I am not saying his presidency alone was to blame for our current economic troubles. Just that it does appear his administration wasn't as "thrifty" or was for "smaller government" as some would have you believe.)
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    Re: Bush warns of threats to freedom, economic growth

    I don't know very many conservatives who would claim GWB as one of their own. While he is a Republican, he was anything but conservative in his outlook on illegal immigration, and spending. Most conservatives feel he failed the U.S. by not using his bully pulpit to reign in spending during his tenure.

    However, by only looking at the figures for every 10th year and then the last two years of the Bush era, you are left with an incomplete picture. What happened during the Clinton years? What percentage of increase in which area increased each year? We don't know and therefor have no basis for comparison. We see large increase in some areas from 2007 to 2008. Did these follow years with almost no increase in these areas? We can't say. We see decreases in budgets for EPA. What was the spending before? Was this decrease to bring it back into line with reasonable numbers? Who knows.

    This study really tells us nothing useful.

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    Re: Bush warns of threats to freedom, economic growth

    Quote Originally Posted by Whip Comes Down View Post
    Capitalism failed to provide what the people wanted, so Socialism got the job done.
    Proof that capitalism didn't provide what people wanted?

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    Re: Bush warns of threats to freedom, economic growth

    Quote Originally Posted by Whip Comes Down View Post
    In addition to, not as a substitute for, individual responsibility, there is a collective responsibility. A riot of lawless business individualism would be quite as destructive to real civilization as the lawless military individualism of the Dark Ages.
    Who's calling for anarchism?!

    Who shall ascend the hill of the Lord? And who shall stand in his holy place? He who has clean hands and a pure heart, who does not lift up his soul to what is false, and does not swear deceitfully. Psalm 24
    "True law is right reason in agreement with nature . . . Whoever is disobedient is fleeing from himself and denying his human nature [and] will suffer the worst penalties . . ." - Cicero

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