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    Re: Bush warns of threats to freedom, economic growth

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    That's some sort of ideologically distorted worldview. "It's ALL Bush's fault!" "He was the biggest threat to freedom"... Oh, brother...
    George W. Bush did more to undermine constitutional civil liberties than any president in recent memory. Are you really going to dispute this?

    The man freaking incarcerated people without a trial and without counsel, and tortured them.

    Jesus H. Christ.

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    Re: Bush warns of threats to freedom, economic growth

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    George W. Bush did more to undermine constitutional civil liberties than any president in recent memory. Are you really going to dispute this?
    Congress passed the Patriot Act, not Bush, if that is what you are referring to. Some civil liberties were going to be tightened after 9/11, that's undoubted.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    The man freaking incarcerated people without a trial and without counsel, and tortured them.

    Jesus H. Christ.
    They were enemy combatants and not criminals and not deserving of the rights we extend to citizens. He did not torture them.

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    Re: Bush warns of threats to freedom, economic growth

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    Bush admits it was a mistake to have govt overinvolved in the private sector (i.e., bailouts).
    Bush is nothing more than a Republican lobbyist now. He needs to shut his pie hole.

    He's only making that comment because it looks like the government is going to provide poor people with insurance at rates which Bush's big business butt-buddies cannot compete without sacrificing their 20 million dollar yearly bonuses.

    **** Bush
    **** the Republicans
    **** big business

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    Re: Bush warns of threats to freedom, economic growth

    Ain't this a hoot and a holler. Big Government George Bush talking about the free markets is like a fat kid who eats junk food talking about fruits and vegetables.

    Bush and his cronies expanded the government to unprecedented levels in modern day history. It took Bush 6 years to veto his bill. He added tremendous funding both economic and social regulations, but he harps about laissez-faire??? Just take a look at figures 3 and 4.
    http://www.mercatus.org/uploadedFile...7%20Budget.pdf

    He expanded the DoE, funded NCLB, Hud, and oversaw the MMA, which is expected to cost $1.2 trillion over 10 years and gave the pharmaceutical industries protection against government negotiation and foreign imports, helping secure their 3rd highest profit margins out of any industry. And Bush talks about trade liberalization? What about sinking millions into agricultural subsidies that benefit large agribusinesses at the expense of 3rd world farmers?

    We can still count on George Bush for the lulz.
    Last edited by Voluntary; 11-17-09 at 12:12 PM.

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    Re: Bush warns of threats to freedom, economic growth

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Please, explain how lack of oversight, regulation, and transparency were the cause of the problem.
    Maybe you should look at this video from a PBS documentary called, "The Warning", and then read the commentary in the Economic forum discussing same and then come back here (or post there) with your commentary. Maybe you'll think differently on the matter. But I'll sum things up this way:

    Deregulation and the lack of regulatory oversight were the root causes to our current economic problem.

    The housing market was the catalyst for the crisis.

    Commercial banks, investment banks and insurance companies may not have been "forced" to give mortgage loans to people who couldn't afford them, but they certainly didn't seem to care about the ethical practises they used in order to take unprecidented risks for major financial rewards. And look at were greed got us...

    The bottom line is this: One side (Conservatives) believed that less restrictions would spur economic growth, but the other side (Liberals) believed that not enough oversight would bring about undue risks. Both sides are right. It's a matter of how to balance both worlds - that's the real issue as I see it.
    Last edited by Objective Voice; 11-17-09 at 12:49 PM.

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    Re: Bush warns of threats to freedom, economic growth

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    What wealth has government ever created? I mean a net positive.
    Quote Originally Posted by Whip Comes Down View Post
    The Panama Canal and The Hoover Dam.
    The trans-continnetal railroad, Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA)

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    Re: Bush warns of threats to freedom, economic growth

    Quote Originally Posted by Voluntary View Post
    Bush and his cronies expanded the government to unprecedented levels in modern day history. It took Bush 6 years to veto his bill. He added tremendous funding both economic and social regulations, but he harps about laissez-faire??? Just take a look at figures 3 and 4.
    http://www.mercatus.org/uploadedFile...7%20Budget.pdf
    A very interesting statistical comparison among former Presidents. Rarely do facts and figures lie.

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    Re: Bush warns of threats to freedom, economic growth

    Yes, the government has made things. Does that mean that the cost outweighs whatever benefit? That hasn't been proven. Even harder to prove was that the money spent on those projects was the best possible expense for that money.
    Last edited by phattonez; 11-17-09 at 01:17 PM.

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    Re: Bush warns of threats to freedom, economic growth

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    A very interesting statistical comparison among former Presidents. Rarely do facts and figures lie.
    But often can they be twisted and distorted.

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    Re: Bush warns of threats to freedom, economic growth

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Yes, the government has made things.
    Capitalism failed to provide what the people wanted, so Socialism got the job done.

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