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Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

History has proven that anti-war dissent only prolongs the war, it doesn't shorten it. We could have wrapped Vietnam up by '68, if not for the war protesters.

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It's no suprise that a Libbo would laugh at historical facts. Ya'll only believe the revised history that you choose to believe.

By 1968, NVA morale was at it's lowest point ever. The plans for "Tet" 1968 was their last desperate attempt to achieve a success, in an effort to boost the NVA morale. When it was over, General Giap and the NVA viewed the Tet 1968 offensive as a failure, they were on their knees and had prepared to negotiate a surrender.

At that time, there were fewer than 10,000 U.S. casualties, the Vietnam War was about to end, as the NVA was prepared to accept their defeat. Then, they heard Walter Cronkite (former CBS News anchor and correspondent) on TV proclaiming the success of the Tet 1968 offensive by the communist NVA. They were completely and totally amazed at hearing that the US Embassy had been overrun. In reality, The NVA had not gained access to the Embassy--there were some VC who had been killed on the grassy lawn, but they hadn't gained access. Further reports indicated the riots and protesting on the streets of America.

According to Giap, these distorted reports were inspirational to the NVA. They changed their plans from a negotiated surrender and decided instead, they only needed to persevere for one more hour, day, week, month, eventually the protesters in American would help them to achieve a victory they knew they could not win on the battlefield. Remember, this decision was made at a time when the U.S. casualties were fewer than 10,000, at the end of 1967, beginning of 1968.

Vietnam War Stories: Tom Hayden, Jane Fonda, Hanoi Hannah. 1965.

The anti-war faction in the United States created an additional 20,000 casualties. Good job!
 
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Can I continue to not like either one of them? Consistency, it's not something certain of our posters are good at.

I like the passive-aggressive mode. It can always be characterized as restraint.:lol:
 
The two situations aren't comparable. Criticizing the Iraq-aspect of the War on Terror is the only sensible position to take, since it was about everything except the War on Terror and detracted from it.

^This is what is called playing defense. Sucks doesn't it.
 
It's no suprise that a Libbo would laugh at historical facts. Ya'll only believe the revised history that you choose to believe.

The anti-war faction in the United States created an additional 20,000 casualties. Good job!

Yes. We all know obscure sites on the internet are devoid of revisionism. Specially ones who look like they were created by OCD children. Your naivety and continual use of words like revisionism confuses and amuses me simultaneously.
 
Yes. We all know obscure sites on the internet are devoid of revisionism. Specially ones who look like they were created by OCD children. Your naivety and continual use of words like revisionism confuses and amuses me simultaneously.

You can ignore history all you like, blood, but it ain't gonna change the facts.
 
Sheehan was wrong and this woman is wrong.

Dammit, it pisses me off when ignorant fvcks try and use the military for political gain.

Partisan hacks, all of em.
 
Sheehan was wrong and this woman is wrong.

Dammit, it pisses me off when ignorant fvcks try and use the military for political gain.

Partisan hacks, all of em.

No no! This one is legitimate because she's going after the Obama! </end sarcasm>
 
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You can ignore history all you like, blood, but it ain't gonna change the facts.

Yes - we all know where your facts come from. Would you like to provide any more editorials to support your 'facts' and sense of 'history'?
 
By 1968, NVA morale was at it's lowest point ever. The plans for "Tet" 1968 was their last desperate attempt to achieve a success, in an effort to boost the NVA morale. When it was over, General Giap and the NVA viewed the Tet 1968 offensive as a failure, they were on their knees and had prepared to negotiate a surrender.

At that time, there were fewer than 10,000 U.S. casualties, the Vietnam War was about to end, as the NVA was prepared to accept their defeat. Then, they heard Walter Cronkite (former CBS News anchor and correspondent) on TV proclaiming the success of the Tet 1968 offensive by the communist NVA. They were completely and totally amazed at hearing that the US Embassy had been overrun. In reality, The NVA had not gained access to the Embassy--there were some VC who had been killed on the grassy lawn, but they hadn't gained access. Further reports indicated the riots and protesting on the streets of America.

According to Giap, these distorted reports were inspirational to the NVA. They changed their plans from a negotiated surrender and decided instead, they only needed to persevere for one more hour, day, week, month, eventually the protesters in American would help them to achieve a victory they knew they could not win on the battlefield. Remember, this decision was made at a time when the U.S. casualties were fewer than 10,000, at the end of 1967, beginning of 1968.
Dude, that Urban Legend was debunked ages ago.

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_general_giap.htm

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This is not supposed to happen.

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Since when did we start being a world where a parent's views SWAY a president's decisions when it comes to the choice that their ADULT child made (join the military, follow orders) etc etc?

What the HELL is that?

However much I understand her agony and feel for her - She needs to accept that her CHILD grew up, became a MAN, joined the ARMY and now she should be proud that he's doing his JOB with dignity.

I don't see this as being "concerned citizen demanding action from the government for the sake of all people"
I'm seeing this as "hover-mother overly concerned and unable to let her child leave the nest and make decisions for himself"
 
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Since when did we start being a world where a parent's views SWAY a president's decisions when it comes to the choice that their ADULT child made (join the military, follow orders) etc etc?

What the HELL is that?

However much I understand her agony and feel for her - She needs to accept that her CHILD grew up, became a MAN, joined the ARMY and now she should be proud that he's doing his JOB with dignity.

I don't see this as being "concerned citizen demanding action from the government for the sake of all people"
I'm seeing this as "hover-mother overly concerned and unable to let her child leave the nest and make decisions for himself"

I speak from pesonal experience when I say that her son joined the army with the understanding that the Commander in Chief would never leave him with his ass hanging in the wind, on some foreign battlefield.
 
I speak from pesonal experience when I say that her son joined the army with the understanding that the Commander in Chief would never leave him with his ass hanging in the wind, on some foreign battlefield.

While I agree with you that he needs to act - nevermind . . .

I'm being a judgemental douche, I know . . .
 
I speak from pesonal experience when I say that her son joined the army with the understanding that the Commander in Chief would never leave him with his ass hanging in the wind, on some foreign battlefield.

Bush started the war? So how is Obama leaving his ass hanging?

I mean I want us to pull out, but I don't want to see another south Vietnam style pullout.
 
Yes, I'd like a complete victorious pullout, too.
If we're going to pull out we might as well get the job done before we do it.
 
Bush started the war? So how is Obama leaving his ass hanging?


As a soldier, you know that a commander is repsonsible for the men under his command. It is his job to insure, to the best of his ability and fullest extent of his paower and available resources, to provide his soldiers with everything they need to do their jobs.

I mean I want us to pull out, but I don't want to see another south Vietnam style pullout.

If we leave with the job half way finished, that's exactly what we'll have. Then, in ten years, we'll be sending more young men and women to do it all over again. To leave now would be nothing but a quick fix.
 
Bush started the war? So how is Obama leaving his ass hanging?

I mean I want us to pull out, but I don't want to see another south Vietnam style pullout.

I want us to win, but that's not going to happen. So we should pull out immediately and completely to save the lives of our men and women in theater. I would like to see a Vietnam style pullout because of the harm it will do to Obama.

Btw, I loathe the Republicans as much as Obama. In order for my vision of America to be born, Obama must be discredited. Obama must be forced into the role of mere caretaker just as Bush was in the last two years of his presidency.
 
I speak from pesonal experience when I say that her son joined the army with the understanding that the Commander in Chief would never leave him with his ass hanging in the wind, on some foreign battlefield.
When I was in Special Force, my ass was often hanging in the wind, bro. But, that's when the real fun starts.
 
My War Strategy mirrors my Sexual Strategy.

You have to pull out when it's time to pull out...then ram it in the ass, no questions asked.

A victory every time.
 
When I was in Special Force, my ass was often hanging in the wind, bro. But, that's when the real fun starts.

Yeah, I bet you were in a special force...:rofl

Even if you were SF, that's part of what being in SF is all about, that's why it's voulntary duty and they do their very best to washout the folks that aren't mentally, or physically fit enough to serve in a team.

However, your average grunt doesn't enlist with that understanding.

Someone that had spent time in SF would already know the difference.
 
No, a mother shouldn't have to beg the president to send her son, who is serving on a foreign battlefield, the support he needs to win.

That's not what she was doing. Not at all. You need to reread that article.
 
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