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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    History has proven that anti-war dissent only prolongs the war, it doesn't shorten it. We could have wrapped Vietnam up by '68, if not for the war protesters.

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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by Whip Comes Down View Post
    It's no suprise that a Libbo would laugh at historical facts. Ya'll only believe the revised history that you choose to believe.

    By 1968, NVA morale was at it's lowest point ever. The plans for "Tet" 1968 was their last desperate attempt to achieve a success, in an effort to boost the NVA morale. When it was over, General Giap and the NVA viewed the Tet 1968 offensive as a failure, they were on their knees and had prepared to negotiate a surrender.

    At that time, there were fewer than 10,000 U.S. casualties, the Vietnam War was about to end, as the NVA was prepared to accept their defeat. Then, they heard Walter Cronkite (former CBS News anchor and correspondent) on TV proclaiming the success of the Tet 1968 offensive by the communist NVA. They were completely and totally amazed at hearing that the US Embassy had been overrun. In reality, The NVA had not gained access to the Embassy--there were some VC who had been killed on the grassy lawn, but they hadn't gained access. Further reports indicated the riots and protesting on the streets of America.

    According to Giap, these distorted reports were inspirational to the NVA. They changed their plans from a negotiated surrender and decided instead, they only needed to persevere for one more hour, day, week, month, eventually the protesters in American would help them to achieve a victory they knew they could not win on the battlefield. Remember, this decision was made at a time when the U.S. casualties were fewer than 10,000, at the end of 1967, beginning of 1968.

    Vietnam War Stories: Tom Hayden, Jane Fonda, Hanoi Hannah. 1965.
    The anti-war faction in the United States created an additional 20,000 casualties. Good job!
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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

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    Can I continue to not like either one of them? Consistency, it's not something certain of our posters are good at.
    I like the passive-aggressive mode. It can always be characterized as restraint.

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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    The two situations aren't comparable. Criticizing the Iraq-aspect of the War on Terror is the only sensible position to take, since it was about everything except the War on Terror and detracted from it.
    ^This is what is called playing defense. Sucks doesn't it.

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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's no suprise that a Libbo would laugh at historical facts. Ya'll only believe the revised history that you choose to believe.

    The anti-war faction in the United States created an additional 20,000 casualties. Good job!
    Yes. We all know obscure sites on the internet are devoid of revisionism. Specially ones who look like they were created by OCD children. Your naivety and continual use of words like revisionism confuses and amuses me simultaneously.
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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Yes. We all know obscure sites on the internet are devoid of revisionism. Specially ones who look like they were created by OCD children. Your naivety and continual use of words like revisionism confuses and amuses me simultaneously.
    You can ignore history all you like, blood, but it ain't gonna change the facts.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Sheehan was wrong and this woman is wrong.

    Dammit, it pisses me off when ignorant fvcks try and use the military for political gain.

    Partisan hacks, all of em.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Sheehan was wrong and this woman is wrong.

    Dammit, it pisses me off when ignorant fvcks try and use the military for political gain.

    Partisan hacks, all of em.
    No no! This one is legitimate because she's going after the Obama! </end sarcasm>
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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You can ignore history all you like, blood, but it ain't gonna change the facts.
    Yes - we all know where your facts come from. Would you like to provide any more editorials to support your 'facts' and sense of 'history'?
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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    By 1968, NVA morale was at it's lowest point ever. The plans for "Tet" 1968 was their last desperate attempt to achieve a success, in an effort to boost the NVA morale. When it was over, General Giap and the NVA viewed the Tet 1968 offensive as a failure, they were on their knees and had prepared to negotiate a surrender.

    At that time, there were fewer than 10,000 U.S. casualties, the Vietnam War was about to end, as the NVA was prepared to accept their defeat. Then, they heard Walter Cronkite (former CBS News anchor and correspondent) on TV proclaiming the success of the Tet 1968 offensive by the communist NVA. They were completely and totally amazed at hearing that the US Embassy had been overrun. In reality, The NVA had not gained access to the Embassy--there were some VC who had been killed on the grassy lawn, but they hadn't gained access. Further reports indicated the riots and protesting on the streets of America.

    According to Giap, these distorted reports were inspirational to the NVA. They changed their plans from a negotiated surrender and decided instead, they only needed to persevere for one more hour, day, week, month, eventually the protesters in American would help them to achieve a victory they knew they could not win on the battlefield. Remember, this decision was made at a time when the U.S. casualties were fewer than 10,000, at the end of 1967, beginning of 1968.
    Dude, that Urban Legend was debunked ages ago.

    http://urbanlegends.about.com/librar...neral_giap.htm

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