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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I made a decisive position. Parents should not be the deciding voice on military action. This stance does not change if I agree with the parent or I disagree with the parent. It is a principled position, not one that is fickle akin to a President deciding what to do simply on poll ratings. Presidents should not be making military decisions based on what makes a parent happy.

    I agree we need to send those troops in, and we needed that decision to be made weeks ago. That doesn't change the fact that I do not think, nor want, a President to make decisions based on the complaints or pleas of parents. Unlike those of you bellowing out about this becasue it fits your fickle political position today, I base my actual political views on these things called "principles" and they don't shift like the wind like the daily gallop poll. Parents should not be setting military policy. They shouldn't have when they were asking Bush to "end it" and they shouldn't now with Obama.
    I was going to say something similar but you beat me to it. There are so many parents for or against the war and they all have children serving. The media likes to isolate single cases and blow them out of proportion given the public opinion trends toward the current administration. When war is not popular, you hear about more dissenters; when war is popular, all you see is support; meanwhile both sides always exist simultaneously.

    This woman does not and should not have any sway on the current administration, no matter how many agencies pick up her story.

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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Decisive action doies not necessitate rashness, nor does it preclude careful assessment.


    I think it takes a lot of gall to denounce "decisiveness" out-of-hand when the lack of same could very well cause more deaths among our troops, whom you are allegedly so worried about.
    No matter what choice Obama makes, it will probably lead to a multitude of very bad outcomes for the United States and the people of the Middle East. The only question is if that badness will be mitigated by immediately dispatching the requested troops and re-writing the strategy or pursuing some other course of action. I don't know if it will turn out later that an immediate response was the correct choice, but I do know it is impossible for anybody to know, as of this moment, that is the right thing to do. Hence, what Obama is currently doing at least "makes sense," even if it isn't the right thing to do. Nobody has a right to feel upset toward Obama on this issue, because nobody has good enough knowledge of what the best course of action is. Anybody advocating any position may very well be contributing to the death and suffering of our troops and the people of the countries involved.

    That's why you don't want to go to war to begin with, because you won't know what the best course of action for preserving lives and achieving your goals will be. War rests on too many things outside your control.

    Right now Obama is thinking about sending a small number of troops (10,000) to serve as additional trainers to Afghanistan security forces, which signals approaching withdrawal. That's unfortunately one of the better options the United States has, because regardless of whether or not tribal loyalties, bribery, and other corruptions cause the new republic to fracture and divide up as may also occur with Iraq, it seems as though Afghanistan as a nation is going to break up, if the United States continues our presence there, just to spite us.
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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Cindy Sheehan of the right. Oh no wait....this one is legitimate because she's trying to make Obama look bad....
    The difference being, that this lady isn't trying to undermine our soldiers while they're serving this country on a far away battlefield.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So you assume some one with less information about a situation is making the right decision, while some one with more information than her, you or I is wrong.
    She wants her son to receive the support that he and his comrades need to win the fight. How is that wrong?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    She wants her son to receive the support that he and his comrades need to win the fight. How is that wrong?
    Mostly because it is easier said than done. Anyway, saying it isn't wrong; politicizing and moralizing it is.
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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The difference being, that this lady isn't trying to undermine our soldiers while they're serving this country on a far away battlefield.
    Both are women expressing emotional appeals without any consideration of what negative impact granting their appeal could cause.

    Cindy Sheean wanted soldiers to come home. This women wants more to go to war. Both for purely emotional reasons.
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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    What is not supposed to happen? People using a military situation to try and score political points?
    Well, of course not.

    The Messiah and the Democrats protested the war only to hack at the roots of the Bush.

    They don't want anyone undermining their incompetent Messiah over the same subject.

    No, can't have that, even though their incompetent Messiah persists in keeping the troops on the battlefield and persists in refusing to define what they're there for.

    Every American in who died in Afghanistan after the Messiah made his "I'm too ignorant to define "victory" in Afghanistan" speech became the Messiah's dead American.

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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    No matter what choice Obama makes, it will probably lead to a multitude of very bad outcomes for the United States and the people of the Middle East.
    It's the Messiah's job to minimize the damage.

    Since he can't even define "victory" for the conflict, there's no chance that he's going to do anything effective.

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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Well, of course not.

    The Messiah and the Democrats protested the war only to hack at the roots of the Bush.

    They don't want anyone undermining their incompetent Messiah over the same subject.

    No, can't have that, even though their incompetent Messiah persists in keeping the troops on the battlefield and persists in refusing to define what they're there for.

    Every American in who died in Afghanistan after the Messiah made his "I'm too ignorant to define "victory" in Afghanistan" speech became the Messiah's dead American.
    The two situations aren't comparable. Criticizing the Iraq-aspect of the War on Terror is the only sensible position to take, since it was about everything except the War on Terror and detracted from it.
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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    No matter what choice Obama makes, it will probably lead to a multitude of very bad outcomes for the United States and the people of the Middle East....
    I am really not sure how any of this addresses what I said.

    You're trying to equate decisiveness with rashness.
    There is no necessary relationship between the two.

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