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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Dictatorships don't have such a hot track record either.

    I think I will stick with the Constitution.
    Wasn't suggesting a Dictatorship, we're suggesting that people EARN, or at least prove that they are deserving of, some of their rights: The rights that affect others. You have to take a test to drive, to get a hunting license, to carry a concealed firearm, to get certain jobs, operate large vehicles, etc. So why shouldn't something that stands to effect yourself, those around you, and those who aren't even remotely connected to you be regulated?

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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Wasn't suggesting a Dictatorship, we're suggesting that people EARN, or at least prove that they are deserving of, some of their rights: The rights that affect others. You have to take a test to drive, to get a hunting license, to carry a concealed firearm, to get certain jobs, operate large vehicles, etc. So why shouldn't something that stands to effect yourself, those around you, and those who aren't even remotely connected to you be regulated?
    How is having a ruling class different than a dictatorship? Who would administer the "tests" and decide who get to be part of the ruling class?

    So our constitution would be amended to read "for some of the people, by some of the people?"
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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    How is having a ruling class different than a dictatorship? Who would administer the "tests" and decide who get to be part of the ruling class?

    So our constitution would be amended to read "for some of the people, by some of the people?"
    Referee tosses flag on the play. Factual error. Fifteen yard penalty. US Constitution doesn't mention "for the people, by the people...." That's out of Lincoln's Gettysburg Address.

    Public schools these days. Shakes head.

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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    That's out of Lincoln's Gettysburg Address.
    You are quite right. I should have said. "We the people," as represented by the ruling class..........
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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    How is having a ruling class different than a dictatorship? Who would administer the "tests" and decide who get to be part of the ruling class?

    So our constitution would be amended to read "for some of the people, by some of the people?"
    You're thinking of this whole subject in the means of "some people" - a small number of people.

    We're not talking of a *small* part of the populus - but a majority of voters.
    So far we have that they need to be registered and present theirselves with proof of their identity - which is good.

    I would prefer that before they register they have to answer a few basic questions to prove that they have a brain in their head and are sort of aware of the things that they're voting on.

    "Who is the vice president?"

    "What was the purpose of the Declaration of Independence"

    "What year did Columbus sail the ocean blue"


    A lot of people know those things - yeah. And some don't - boo. And those who don't should know those things.

    Heck - my idea of "testing for the right" isn't even as stingent as "testing to become a citizen." And becoming a citizen isn't listed out in the Constitution, they made up the guidelines eventhough there is no basis for them.
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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    I'm bringing this from another thread to prove my point:

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    YouTube- SARAH PALIN BOOK SIGNING - Interviews with Supporters
    This is about Palin - but a classic example of what happens when people support a candidate (possible candidate, in this case) and yet no nothing - absolutely nothing - about who that person is, what they stand for, what their values are, etc.

    There are just as many people in the Obama camp and everywhere else who are just as clueless on policies and values and other things that *do* matter in politics (btw).
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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    So our constitution would be amended to read "for some of the people, by some of the people?"
    Looked at Obamacare lately?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    How is having a ruling class different than a dictatorship? Who would administer the "tests" and decide who get to be part of the ruling class?

    So our constitution would be amended to read "for some of the people, by some of the people?"
    Well, to put it simply...the first one's an oligarchy, the second one's a dictatorship.




    It'd be Oligarchy or Elitism if we picked a stupid reason to remove people from the voting process. What I seek to do is instead remove stupid people from the voting process, leaving the quasi-educated and on up to vote. We take voting rights away from felons, and yet we let complete morons vote.

    Makes very little sense to me.

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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Well, to put it simply...the first one's an oligarchy, the second one's a dictatorship.




    It'd be Oligarchy or Elitism if we picked a stupid reason to remove people from the voting process. What I seek to do is instead remove stupid people from the voting process, leaving the quasi-educated and on up to vote. We take voting rights away from felons, and yet we let complete morons vote.

    Makes very little sense to me.

    Some Felons are entirely capable of voting but can't.
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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Some Felons are entirely capable of voting but can't.
    Sometimes this world is bass ackwards in the name of "Fairness" or "Justice" when in reality nothing much has changed.

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