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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    I am not debating the subject of this thread. Rather, I'm trying to understand where Cat is coming from because he said something that interested me. Cat has emphasized the importance of morality in the conduct of American foreign policy. So I've posed a question to him to get some insight into the parameters of his morality.

    If Cat answers my question I may gain some insight and learn something. Or I may be amused.
    Likewise to you, I'm hoping to gain some insight and learn something - or be amused.

    I would like to know why you consider us taking an alternate route to the goal to be the same as a defeat on the battlefield.
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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Why should we give a **** what this one paratrooper's mom said.

    Nobody gave a rat's ass what my pops said when I was a paratrooper and deployed to Iraq.

    **** her.
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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    I am a citizen of the America that doesn't engage in sophistry.

    You haven't answered my question. Instead, you've responded to a question that I didn't ask.

    I'll try again. All other things being equal, as a general matter of morality, if your president refuses to withdraw American forces from Afghanistan, do you wish to see the soldiers of your country return victorious or in defeat?
    Your question is moot without a discussion of how victory can be achieved.

    For the last 8 years our war on terror has been a failure in that is has been counter productive. How do you propose to turn that into a victory?
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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    When he does, though - it won't be for those reason.

    He seems the least bit concerned with what people think of him - obviously. And by far even less concerned with reports and advice from those who know what they're talking about (case nd point - the Rand report).
    Not sure how you reach that conclusion. Regardless, those of us that oppose the war will continue to apply pressure for withdrawal.
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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And it will insure that he is a one term president.

    He'll be known as the only president in history that retreated in the face of the enemy.
    Or, since the last 8 years of our "war on terror" have been a failure, he will be known as the president who found an effective way to deal with terrorists.

    I think he will be reelected for saving the country from another great depression, bringing home the troops from Iraq and getting a health insurance reform bill passed.
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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Or, since the last 8 years of our "war on terror" have been a failure, he will be known as the president who found an effective way to deal with terrorists.


    By what standard is it a failure?

    I think he will be reelected for saving the country from another great depression, bringing home the troops from Iraq and getting a health insurance reform bill passed.
    That ain't gonna happen. He'll be voted out for making a bad economy even worse. If he leaves Iraq and Afghanistan unfinished, then they turn into blood baths, he'll leave office in disgrace, probably not even getting the nod from his own party.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    By what standard is it a failure?


    In that it has been counter productive as concluded by the Rand Report to the Pentagon. To have unnecessarily sacrificed tens of thousands of innocent lives at a cost of 3 trillion in debt for taxpayers for a failed war on terror is unacceptable.

    That ain't gonna happen.

    I will bet you that it does!

    He'll be voted out for making a bad economy even worse. If he leaves Iraq and Afghanistan unfinished, then they turn into blood baths, he'll leave office in disgrace, probably not even getting the nod from his own party.
    The economy will be better in 2012 than when Bush left office. He will have withdrawn troops from Iraq as the people from both this country and Iraq have demanded and per agreement, and he will have signed into law a National Health Insurance Reform bill.

    Who would even come close to beating him? Palin, Limbaugh, Romney?
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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    [COLOR="Navy"]The economy will be better in 2012 than when Bush left office.
    Yeah, maybe and that's a big maybe. But, if it's not, PBO might as well start packing his bags.



    He will have withdrawn troops from Iraq as the people from both this country and Iraq have demanded and per agreement,
    PBO will be able to only take partial credit for withdrawing from Iraq, since the process has already started. You just better hope he doesn't cock it up, because he'll own that.

    and he will have signed into law a National Health Insurance Reform bill.
    I believe that will be his number one handicap during the 2012 campaign. The American people don't want this and aren't going to be happy with it.

    Who would even come close to beating him? Palin, Limbaugh, Romney?
    By the time he's done screwing the pooch, my 12 y/o could beat him. I'm betting that if there's a third party candidate, that PBO won't even make it to the general election. Correct me if I'm mistaken, but he would be the first sitting president in history that lost out in the primary.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I'm betting that if there's a third party candidate, that PBO won't even make it to the general election. Correct me if I'm mistaken, but he would be the first sitting president in history that lost out in the primary.
    I'll take that bet.

    A third party will further divide the conservative vote which makes it even more of a sure thing, but please don't let that stop you.

    Ron Paul for president!
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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I'll take that bet.

    A third party will further divide the conservative vote which makes it even more of a sure thing, but please don't let that stop you.

    Ron Paul for president!
    I think this next election it's the dems who will lose votes to a third party...especially since a lot of conservatives are getting on the patriotism bandwagon. It seems like Democrats are squabbling amongst themselves...though that's just what it looks like. I can't see into the minds of the Democratic population very well.

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