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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Stop playing both sides. We have enough of that going on in the WH, and that's the problem.
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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Stop playing both sides. We have enough of that going on in the WH, and that's the problem.
    That's not playing both sides. That's articulating the only reasonable position.
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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Here's the harsh, hard, cynical reality.

    Obama should listen and empathize to this woman, but he should not make his judgement on her words.

    likewise

    Bush should've listened and empathized with the words of parents saying "end it" (IE bring the troops home), but he should not have made judgements based on their words.

    A Presidents judgements and duties are to this country, as a whole, the security of people, as a whole, and those things singularly first.
    All of this is absolutely correct.

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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    No, being decisive is the only reasonable position.
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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Cindy Sheehan of the right. Oh no wait....this one is legitimate because she's trying to make Obama look bad....
    I wonder if "this one" will get the media attention that Sheehan got since she is challenging Obama... wanna bet she gets ignored by all those MSM who savored every anti-Bush word that Sheehan uttered (no matter how incoherent).
    Obama lied... Ambassador Stevens died!

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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    This is not supposed to happen.

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    what is not supposed to happen?

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    No, being decisive is the only reasonable position.
    Until rash action leads to more deaths and destruction than careful assessment.

    I think it takes a lot of gall to enthusiastically support "decisiveness" when it could very well cause more deaths among our troops, whom you are allegedly so worried about.
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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Until rash action leads to more deaths and destruction than careful assessment.
    Decisive action doies not necessitate rashness, nor does it preclude careful assessment.

    I think it takes a lot of gall to enthusiastically support "decisiveness" when it could very well cause more deaths among our troops, whom you are allegedly so worried about.
    I think it takes a lot of gall to denounce "decisiveness" out-of-hand when the lack of same could very well cause more deaths among our troops, whom you are allegedly so worried about.

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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    No, being decisive is the only reasonable position.
    I made a decisive position. Parents should not be the deciding voice on military action. This stance does not change if I agree with the parent or I disagree with the parent. It is a principled position, not one that is fickle akin to a President deciding what to do simply on poll ratings. Presidents should not be making military decisions based on what makes a parent happy.

    I agree we need to send those troops in, and we needed that decision to be made weeks ago. That doesn't change the fact that I do not think, nor want, a President to make decisions based on the complaints or pleas of parents. Unlike those of you bellowing out about this becasue it fits your fickle political position today, I base my actual political views on these things called "principles" and they don't shift like the wind like the daily gallop poll. Parents should not be setting military policy. They shouldn't have when they were asking Bush to "end it" and they shouldn't now with Obama.

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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Until rash action leads to more deaths and destruction than careful assessment.
    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Decisive action doies not necessitate rashness, nor does it preclude careful assessment.
    Both of you are missing the point here and being bamboozled by American.

    This thread isn't about desisiveness. Whether or not Obama should take his time to decide to send troops or make a choice swiftly isn't the issue here. The issue is whether Obama should be listening to a PARENT about MILITARY decisions.

    That has nothing to do truly with decisiveness or rash action. It doesn't matter if the Parent was saying "end it" as in bring the troops home or "End it" as in end his indecisiveness. What matters is the principled notion that the Commander in Chief should not be letting the pleas of a grieving parent decide his choice for what is best for the defense of this entire nation.

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