The entire mission of the Cold War was about beating the Soviets at their own game and denying them the resources needed to make militaries powerful. After this it was all about regional stability no matter the cost. This is where the dictators came in. And why was Saddam HUssein preserved after the Gulf War for twelve years?
...and by the way, I use the term "leftist" to describe the global anti-Americanists who cannot fathom a world where anyone but America takes responsibility for itself. Communists and socialists usually fit into the category as does anybody else who was denied glory because of American intervention in the 20th century.
Liberals and Democrats are something else.
But like it or not, we did it. And like it or not, we will do it again when necessary.
Are you aware that Clinton attacked Iraq no less than 4 separate times in his presedency and it all revolved around his game playing? That everytime Hussein mobilized his troops to the Kuwaiti border, we did the same and sent more and more troops into the region because of it? The Gulf War was simply paused with the expectations that he fullfill his part of the bargain. He refused enough times and we looked away enough times. In 2003, we finished the job. But like I stated, had we simply finished the job in 1991, there would not have been a 9/11. No "starving children of Iraq" to point out and no "escallation of troops" to bring attention to.
....This did not happen. The people of the Middle East largely proved that he was just one of about tens of thousands who made the entire Middle East pay for a stupid act of terrorism. Instead of "rallying the troops," his minions have been slaughtered in Iraq and Afghanistan and in the Phillipines and in Africa and instead of two Muslim nations that center on Sharia he made possible two western style democracies, one right smack in the center of Islam heaven.
Osama Bin Laden got what he wanted? Hardly.
...By the way, your ciritcisms of the war should be more towards how screwed up they conducted it, not that they did it. None of this should have cost this much and none of this should have been so bloody. But this is what happens when civilians seek to preach to the military about how they are supposed to accomplish a mission.
I keep stating this....if we had just finished our jhob in 1991 and did not create our mission with Iraq throughout the 90s decade, would there have been 9/11? The answer tells you exactly what Iraq had to do with the event. Would our embassies have been bombed? Would our Naval ship been bombed? Air Force barracks? What would have really happened on 9/11 if we hadn't parked an ever growing American military in the heartland of Islam to deal with this prick?
Pretend all you want, but our situation in regards to Iraq is exactly what spurred Osama Bin Laden and Al-Queda. The Tali-Ban just liked his beard.
But even our local enemies were merely Sunni tribesman that couldn't fathom that the Shia had power now. These are enemies that already existed. In fact, many were wearing Iraqi uniforms prior to our invasion. All they needed was an American to stand before them.
Last edited by MSgt; 11-15-09 at 06:53 PM.
By largely one can only assume you mean majority. And that is simply not true. If we are going to rest on our personal opinion that is fine, but I'll ask again for you to substantiate your claim regarding the level of foreign fighters in the insurgency. A citation or source would help me out greatly in debating you on this topic. I'll not bother with mine until I see that you are ready to compare notes. If we are content with our own ideas sans substantiation I can live with that too.
Last edited by Lerxst; 11-15-09 at 08:19 PM.
Initially it was internal, Iraqi fighters, and then a large amount of what was classified as "foreign fighters" came in and, from my understanding these "foreign fighters" then started to bolster the resistance in the Al Anbar province, behind the Sunnis, and then Iranians started to show, though they weren't really considered "foreign fighters", then as things dragged on we began to eradicate the "Foreign Fighter" flow, and that's when we saw natural born Iraqis start to increase in the ranks of insurgents.
Now this is paraphrasing a conversation I had with Lt. Col. Brown, Ret. USMC.
Credentials: 23 years in the USMC, Multiple deployments to Iraq, Afghanistan, and now works D.O.D.