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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Um - you have to prove your own claim first. It's like math. You know how that works? I'll explain it to you.

    How much is 2 + 2?

    My answer : 2 + 2 = 4

    Why?

    Because

    4 - 2 = 2

    4 = 1 + 1 + 1 + 1

    1 + 1 = 2

    1 + 1 = 2

    So 2 + 2 = 4.

    See how that worked? I asked myself a question and provided an answer and PROOF in support of this answer. That's how debate works.
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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    This is why Hatuey is my god.
    Why....because this person can count to four, I set my bar a little higher then that.

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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackboot View Post
    Why....because this person can count to four, I set my bar a little higher then that.
    HEY! It's 9! I CAN COUNT TO 9! I'm working on that '10' thing.
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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Um - you have to prove your own claim first. It's like math. You know how that works? I'll explain it to you.

    How much is 2 + 2?

    My answer : 2 + 2 = 4

    Why?

    Because

    4 - 2 = 2

    4 = 1 + 1 + 1 + 1

    1 + 1 = 2

    1 + 1 = 2

    So 2 + 2 = 4.

    See how that worked? I asked myself a question and provided an answer and PROOF in support of this answer. That's how debate works.
    Conversely if a random, unidentified poster says something like "2+2= 7 fire engines" and someone says "that's absurd" the logical response would not be "prove me wrong."

    Silliness.
    *insert profound statement here*

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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackboot View Post
    Why....because this person can count to four, I set my bar a little higher then that.
    No, because he can explain things clearly and with humor.
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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Conversely if a random, unidentified poster says something like "2+2= 7 fire engines" and someone says "that's absurd" the logical response would not be "prove me wrong."

    Silliness.
    I think there should be a rite of passage before you join this website. You have to write some sort of essay for a debate panel demonstrating your ability to use primary sources, spot fallacies and differentiate between opinions and facts. We'd have a lot less members but it would make for less uninformed posts.


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    Anyways I think it's ridiculous that this lady is coming on television and anybody on the right is using her like a Cindy Sheehan doll. It's disgusting to use your kids to support politics. I've confronted many posters on this website about their inconsistency on the matter. People like to use soldiers like political chips and they are the first who come out against it when the message isn't one which they support.
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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Since before we invaded pretty much no one in Iraq was trying to kill us, by your definition, we netted about zero "bad guys", since they did not exist till we made them.
    By that logic, we created more Nazis and Bushidists during WW2. There were never any Japanese attacks against the US, before we slapped them with a trade embargo. We NEVER bagged any Nazis in Italy, until we invaded Italy in 1943. I don't expect you to see how your logic is flawed, but it is.
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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    By that logic, we created more Nazis and Bushidists during WW2. There were never any Japanese attacks against the US, before we slapped them with a trade embargo. We NEVER bagged any Nazis in Italy, until we invaded Italy in 1943. I don't expect you to see how your logic is flawed, but it is.
    Comparing :

    1. An existing entity like the Nazis, who'd shown themselves to exist before we entered WWII

    to

    2. An entity which appeared as a consequence of our invasion, the insurgency in Iraq.

    is a failure. But every time you make use of Godwin's law you fail anyways.
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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Good god. Are we all still being too simple? Still too stupid to understand how absolutely contradictory and pathetic we are?

    - The same leftist pieces of garbage in the world that has a love affair for pointing out America's Cold War sins with dictators immediately jumped to criticize America for refusing to continue a Cold War mission in regards to Saddam Hussein.

    - The same pieces of garbage in America who seek to drag America through the mud over Hussein absolutely deny that for twelve years we placed troops in and out of Iraq to deal with humanitarian issues, denied him his right to fly his own military jets over his own soil, denied him trade, and looked away as long as his UN starvation tactics didn't interfere with oil flow. "Soveriegnty" mattered only in 2003.

    - The same war protestors who painted their little signs and looked for dates at college universities boasted their heartfelt feelings of "No-War-For-Oil." But somehow containing (and maintaining his family inheriting regime) the dictator, that we should have killed long ago, as he starved out his people and toyed with the U.S. military while making the UN look like the fool it is...for oil....was something to pretend wasn't happening. After all, why go to war for oil when we can simply pretend that we aren't dragging our values through the mud for it?

    - The same fools who read Osama Bin Laden's letter to the American people and found understanding or disgust glossed completely over the part where he used the "starving children of Iraq" and the "escallation of troops in holy lands" as a justification. These same people denied the fact that this escallation occurred because of Hussein's continual games with our military. That Iraqi children were starving under UN mandates and scandels with American muscle enforcing it. They instead preached about how our historical sins with the Middle East has created our enemies (Osama said so) with a disregard for what had happened since 1991. I guess the mission was to go on forever until he died of natural causes...or his son died...or his other son died....or his entire regime of nasties died of SARS. In the mean time, the UN mission, which was abandoned by just about all of the other nations who rogered up to the burden in 1991, could go ahead and serve as justifications for any other terrorist lunatic that wanted to punish America for the way the wind blows.


    No matter where American troops go, there will always be a support given to what we are fighting. Or is the Black Hawk Down incident of Somalia supposed to take humanitarian missions off the table too? You want to fix this problem and set America up with a long view of security? It starts with the region, not an idiot in a cave who is merely a symptom of the cancerous Middle East. But I don't know. Maybe we can put this in terms of law enforcement. If the police go into a neighborhood to address gang land thugs (Afghanistan) or another neighborhood where drug dealers aren't really hurting anybody (Iraq), perhaps they should first consider pretending that all is well just in case they create more criminals by disrupting the careful balance people have become accustomed to. And the neighborhood itself? Surely correcting it will make it better for the citizens and thusly less likely to breed further criminals in mass, but maybe we should just accept the breeding and keep hitting symptoms instead for the illusion of progress.

    This ridiculous idea that America creates enemies by crossing the ocean to adress people that hate us already is pointless. These ****ers are already our enemies. They merely lack the very small instigation to start killing. They already slaughter each other and look away as long as the tribe dying is the other one. Why would thery hesitate to kill a few Americans who represent that European "western" imperialism that is blamed for everything? At no time in our history has our enemies, once the war was taken to their territory, mounted counterattacks upon our soil. Since we are dealing with terrorists, we have to accept that even if America rejects 99 attempts, there will be the one that sneaks in. This is the price of not taking this crap anymore. Or was the American military, who was taking this crap since Beirut, supposed to go ahead and embrace our enemy as something untouchable until enough American civilians were killed? Maybe something like 9/11 will wake the morons up. Or maybe not.
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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    How many people in Iraq where actively trying to kill us before we invaded? If they where not trying to kill us before then, then claiming we are safer since we killed them after we invaded is a nonsense argument. The net gain in security is about zero.

    By the way, I have been to the middle east, trust me when I say I know just exactly how ****ed up it is there.
    Oh, Well then, my bad. I interpreted your original statement as meaning the invasion was the root of their hatred for us. I thought that was odd considering you were Military and should know better. And yeah, really no gain in security, because we can't invade or defeat terrorism.

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