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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I wouldn't know about the armchair generals I was talking about the Americans that brought about the end to the Vietnam war.
    LOL I was talking about AG's - not what brought around the end of Vietnam

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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The quickest way to safety for our soldiers is to bring them home. That is just being a realist.
    Since when is retreat the quickest avenue to safety?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Funny, because that's exactly what George W. Bush and Dick Cheney did when they blatantly rejected the Powell Doctrine in favor of short changing the strategy for invading Iraq and Afghanistan.

    They were told repeatedly by planners they needed more troops and more time to prepare for the invasion and eventual occupation. Rejected. What did they do? Went in with insufficient resources and let Paul Bremer ass rape the entire governmental infrastructure of Iraq. Our troops have been left with their asses hanging ever since then.

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    So, somehow that makes it ok for PBO to be screwing the pooch?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Since when is retreat the quickest avenue to safety?
    When your actions result in increased recruitment efforts by the enemy. We have sacrificed thousands of our young men and women, more than killed on 9/11, and all we have to show for it is 3 trillion dollars of taxpayer debt and more terrorists worldwide than there were before our 8 years of "war on terror."
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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    When your actions result in increased recruitment efforts by the enemy. We have sacrificed thousands of our young men and women, more than killed on 9/11, and all we have to show for it is 3 trillion dollars of taxpayer debt and more terrorists worldwide than their were before our 8 years of "war on terror."
    See, I share similar views ... At some point things need to progress with success . . . or stop.
    It's not an issue of pride. Surely we're beyond that in this day and age.
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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    See, I share similar views ... At some point things need to progress with success . . . or stop.
    It's not an issue of pride. Surely we're beyond that in this day and age.
    The Russians killed a million Afghanis and could not win the war there. We have been there 8 years and there are more terrorists than when we started.

    With each new day, we make our country and our soldiers less secure. Yes, it is time to stop a counter productive war that needlessly puts our soldiers in harms way.
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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, somehow that makes it ok for PBO to be screwing the pooch?
    It sure does, this is our system, pitting the two sides against each other. The very moment that your team gets the ball, it is instant amnesia, it truly is remarkable, it still baffels me every time I witness this phenomenon.

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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    When your actions result in increased recruitment efforts by the enemy. We have sacrificed thousands of our young men and women, more than killed on 9/11, and all we have to show for it is 3 trillion dollars of taxpayer debt and more terrorists worldwide than there were before our 8 years of "war on terror."
    Well, there aren't as many terrorists as there were in 2001. We've killed 50,000+ since then. The let's don't go to war because the enemy won't like us talking point is even more useless now than it was when ya'll first started using it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, somehow that makes it ok for PBO to be screwing the pooch?
    So we are in agreement then?
    *insert profound statement here*

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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Personally I am sick to death of people clamoring that we have some obligation to get behind this war and "support our troops" by not politicizing the issue or using the deaths of our sons and daughters as material for the anti-war cause.

    This is bull****. The entire Vietnam War was an example of unnecessary, needless U.S. casualties and billions of wasted tax dollars. Back then hawks were arguing "Domino Effect" and non-interventionists were arguing "leave it alone, there will be no Domino Effect in SE Asia due to the situation in Vietnam." If you spoke out against the war you were a communist loving hippy pussy who hated the troops...whether you did or not. If you were in support of the war or you fought in it you were a baby killing war monger. Anyone ever heard of the Goldwater-Nichols Reforms? The Powell Doctrine? Anyone know why those came about? Anyone have any idea why those lessons were tossed completely out the window in the case of Iraq and Afghanistan?

    So many people who use the "you can't use dead soldiers as protest material it undermines the war effort" are full of ****. Our dead and wounded are the first tragic result of this worthless and completely unnecessary campaign. They are one of the main reason we should be protesting. There was no legitimacy behind the war in Iraq because there was no necessity for it. So each and every kid that dies over there is one more reason to protest what's going on. And the absolutely botched up strategy in Afghanistan by both administrations is all the more reason to spotlight our dead troops...to say "this blood is the price of your ineptitude...fix the situation or bring our troops home so they don't have to die needlessly."

    The baseless, completely stupid argument that somehow the protests by parents of dead troops negatively impacts or undermines the rest of the troops is beyond ludicrous. It's complete and utter horse**** logic with no basis in reality. It's an attempt by ignorant people to shout down others who don't agree with their myopic worldview. And usually those making those ignorant comments have no idea what is actually impacting troop morale the most.

    This is so much "you're with us or your with the terrorists" nonsense.
    *insert profound statement here*

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