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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    They are the ones with the power to select who sets foreign policy. I do not underestimate them. They are the ones that brought an end to the Vietnam war and are bringing the Iraq war to an end.
    It's not majority rule on the battlefield. Unlike politics, once you commit in battle there is no "easy out" unless you're the winner. and even then...

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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

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    They are the ones with the power to select who sets foreign policy. I do not underestimate them. They are the ones that brought an end to the Vietnam war and are bringing the Iraq war to an end.
    It's not majority rule on the battlefield. Unlike politics, once you commit in battle there is no "easy out" unless you're the winner. and even then...
    Not to forget that the Iraqi's brought an end to the war by adverting progress. The end didn't come in response to American-views.

    Bush wanted to keep a strong military presence in Iraq. The Iraqis told him to no. Bush surrendered.
    Bush wanted to establish permanent bases in Iraq. The Iraqis said no. Bush surrendered.
    Bush wanted to have free reign to operate in Iraq. The Iraqis told him that if they wanted the U.S. they'd ask for them but, once off the reservations, the Americans would be under Iraqi command. Bush surrendered.
    Bush wanted to use Iraq as a platform to extend American influence in the area. The Iraqis said no. Bush surrendered.
    Bush wanted American troops and contractors to be able to operate above Iraqi law. The Iraqis said no. Once of the reservation both are subject to Iraqi law. Bush surrendered.
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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    My husband's dealt with a lot of issues but he'd never dare abandon the soldiers who DO look up to him and depend on him for support.

    Fulfilling one's commitment and leaving is not abandoning anyone.

    Not everyone has the means to put aside the only career path they've ever walked down to start a new life - especially in this failing economy. If someone's employed in the military, has little to no alternative career experience, and wants out - with 10.8% unemployment are they even going ot be able to find a job to support their familiy?

    That is all to be considered before joining in an optional war.

    That's just one reason why many stay in even if they don't want to.

    I respect those who follow their own path - but when they're officers and others there's more ot things than just their feelings at stake.

    Right like the integrity of Americans to conduct their actions in a moral fashion above all else.

    The armchair generals were too busy getting doped up in Vietnam and spitting on our soldiers or attending Woodstock to do anything that made an impact on our country.

    Evidently you were not around to see the protests that brought an end to the Vietnam war.

    They, also, make up the vast number of Americans who don't vote.
    I would have to call BS on that.
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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    It's not majority rule on the battlefield. Unlike politics, once you commit in battle there is no "easy out" unless you're the winner. and even then...
    Of course there is no easy-out. That is what makes it especially important to avoid the stupid-in.
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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    I smell a TROLLHUNT, bro!
    Oh ye of little faith.

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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Not to forget that the Iraqi's brought an end to the war by adverting progress. The end didn't come in response to American-views.

    Bush wanted to keep a strong military presence in Iraq. The Iraqis told him to no. Bush surrendered.
    Bush wanted to establish permanent bases in Iraq. The Iraqis said no. Bush surrendered.
    Bush wanted to have free reign to operate in Iraq. The Iraqis told him that if they wanted the U.S. they'd ask for them but, once off the reservations, the Americans would be under Iraqi command. Bush surrendered.
    Bush wanted to use Iraq as a platform to extend American influence in the area. The Iraqis said no. Bush surrendered.
    Bush wanted American troops and contractors to be able to operate above Iraqi law. The Iraqis said no. Once of the reservation both are subject to Iraqi law. Bush surrendered.
    Bush did not surrender, he and the other Neocons ran out of time. His party was voted out of office for starting stupid wars and wrecking our economy.
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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It seems to me if the mother really cared about her son she would insist the president bring her son home from an ill conceived war.
    That's a good example of what I mean by defeatism. I don't expect you to believe it, but that's not the quickest way to safety for our soldiers.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Fulfilling one's commitment and leaving is not abandoning anyone.
    Yep- if someone's tour is up then they have fullfilled their duty.
    I was speaking of Hoh with that, btw. Hoh did not fullfill his duty.

    That is all to be considered before joining in an optional war
    The war is not optional for the soldiers, it is their sole duty. My husband joined the military when he was single, childless and 18. That was a very long time ago, Reagan was president.
    There's no crystal ball - things change and no one can plan that far ahead.

    Right like the integrity of Americans to conduct their actions in a moral fashion above all else.
    Well, the situation in Desert Storm was different than what we're doing, now - very different.

    Evidently you were not around to see the protests that brought an end to the Vietnam war.
    Those protestors weren't what is labeled as the "armchair generals" ... That's a slang term for people who expressly *do not* attempt to participate in any way, shape or form. It's kind of cheesy - but it's sufficient. Anyone in that category just doesn't lift a finger to do anything - vote or protest. But they always have an opinion.
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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's a good example of what I mean by defeatism. I don't expect you to believe it, but that's not the quickest way to safety for our soldiers.
    The quickest way to safety for our soldiers is to bring them home. That is just being a realist.
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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Yep- if someone's tour is up then they have fullfilled their duty.
    I was speaking of Hoh with that, btw. Hoh did not fullfill his duty.

    How is that?

    The war is not optional for the soldiers, it is their sole duty.

    They volunteered did they not. They were not drafted. That makes it optional on their part.

    My husband joined the military when he was single, childless and 18. That was a very long time ago, Reagan was president.
    There's no crystal ball - things change and no one can plan that far ahead.

    And how many times did he re-up? No one forced him to stay in. It was his choice.

    Well, the situation in Desert Storm was different than what we're doing, now - very different.

    We are still killing innocent civilians that enables the terrorists to grow in numbers. In that way, they are exactly the same.

    Those protestors weren't what is labeled as the "armchair generals" ... That's a slang term for people who expressly *do not* attempt to participate in any way, shape or form. It's kind of cheesy - but it's sufficient. Anyone in that category just doesn't lift a finger to do anything - vote or protest. But they always have an opinion.
    I wouldn't know about the armchair generals I was talking about the Americans that brought about the end to the Vietnam war.
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