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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It seems to me if the mother really cared about her son she would insist the president bring her son home from an ill conceived war.
    this reminds me of that lady who camped out at the end of GWB's Driveway in Texas cause of her son.

    Same tragic story, different day...


    And nothing seems to have been learned.

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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Why? Is she not also a citizen? Is she not an American whose family has paid a dear price for this abortion of a military expedition?
    It's not that. Every citizen has a right to voice their opinion - she has a right to have an opinion, sure. Just like everyone else.

    There's a very fine, delicate line in which family, friends and even spouses shouldn't cross and that is the line of command.

    Take away the military-aspect of it and look at it generally as if it was any other job.
    Does any parent, friend or other family member, even spouse, have any right to question your boss or other superior when it comes to the conditions of your work-place?

    Generally, no.
    To you, yes - but directly to them, no.

    So this situation, however touching and understandable, crosses that line.

    The military might be a life-and-death and reality changing career path, but aside it's nitty gritty on the battlefied it is also a regular job. Parents shouldn't step into it, hoping that their emotions or personal situations be taken into account. Even more so when considering things on such a large, international and complicated scale.

    My husband's in it - and I voice my opinions about what I feel we should do and so on in an online area. However, I don't announce who I am and put my name with his face in any way. He's in the media sometimes and I am not and I never will be.
    I would never violate my husband's own line of command and so forth just to voice my opinion to a higher up of his. That is not my place. in fact, that can complicate his career in the military to the point where his work-environment becomes affected by it.

    No parent or spouse has that right. Giving support to your loved one or even protesting something that you don't agree with does not mean you should get up to a podium and demand action on behalf of your grown child.

    Interference and complaints directly TO command FROM parents and spouses happens all the time - in all sorts of situations. It is unacceptable. Everything from demanding the return of your son from his station of duty to asking that your daughter be given leave to celebrate mother's day. None of it is acceptable.

    The thought that "this is a war, his life is at stake" and that makes it ok for anyone to take such extreme measures is understandable, but out of place.

    If any parent or friend, etc, whats to be involved in protesting a war or demanding action they can do it annonymously, even publicly - but they should take care to respect the chain of command. I would *at least* hope that they consider the problems it might cause for the person who is deployed.
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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    this reminds me of that lady who camped out at the end of GWB's Driveway in Texas cause of her son.

    Same tragic story, different day...


    And nothing seems to have been learned.
    Matthew Hoh seems to have learned:

    "A former Marine Corps captain with combat experience in Iraq, Hoh had also served in uniform at the Pentagon, and as a civilian in Iraq and at the State Department. By July, he was the senior U.S. civilian in Zabul province, a Taliban hotbed.

    But last month, in a move that has sent ripples all the way to the White House, Hoh, 36, became the first U.S. official known to resign in protest over the Afghan war, which he had come to believe simply fueled the insurgency."
    U.S. official resigns over Afghan war - washingtonpost.com
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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Matthew Hoh seems to have learned:

    "A former Marine Corps captain with combat experience in Iraq, Hoh had also served in uniform at the Pentagon, and as a civilian in Iraq and at the State Department. By July, he was the senior U.S. civilian in Zabul province, a Taliban hotbed.

    But last month, in a move that has sent ripples all the way to the White House, Hoh, 36, became the first U.S. official known to resign in protest over the Afghan war, which he had come to believe simply fueled the insurgency."
    U.S. official resigns over Afghan war - washingtonpost.com
    Well that's one Armed Forces member who saw it and acted in a big way...Can't say much for the Public at large still...

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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Well that's one Armed Forces member who saw it and acted in a big way...Can't say much for the Public at large still...
    Currently there are slightly more that want the troops reduced than want them increased.
    Americans Split on Afghanistan Troop Increase vs. Decrease
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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Well that's one Armed Forces member who saw it and acted in a big way...Can't say much for the Public at large still...
    His situation is kind of like a mobius of crap.
    Officer's morale is low, he can no longer continue, and in leaving he takes the waning morale of his soldiers with him, only - they can't just resign like he did. They're a little more stuck than he is (comes with the territory of being at the bottom of the chain).

    I respect Hoh's views, but I feel he stabbed his soldiers in the back because he felt stabbed in the back. How does that make sense? His men depended on him as much as he depended on the government ... and he bailed.

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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Currently there are slightly more that want the troops reduced than want them increased.
    Americans Split on Afghanistan Troop Increase vs. Decrease
    Well unless those people in that survey are there fighting the fight, I don't care what their Armchair General opinion is.

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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    His situation is kind of like a mobius of crap.
    Officer's morale is low, he can no longer continue, and in leaving he takes the waning morale of his soldiers with him, only - they can't just resign like he did. They're a little more stuck than he is (comes with the territory of being at the bottom of the chain).

    I respect Hoh's views, but I feel he stabbed his soldiers in the back because he felt stabbed in the back. How does that make sense? His men depended on him as much as he depended on the government ... and he bailed.

    Holes in the floor, holes in the ceiling.
    I applaud men of conscience who stand up for what's right. My son left the Air Force after 13 years due to our treatment of innocent civilians in Desert Storm. I can think of no better role models for our youth than speaking truth to power.
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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Well unless those people in that survey are there fighting the fight, I don't care what their Armchair General opinion is.
    They are the ones with the power to select who sets foreign policy. I do not underestimate them. They are the ones that brought an end to the Vietnam war and are bringing the Iraq war to an end.
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    Re: Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I applaud men of conscience who stand up for what's right. My son left the Air Force after 13 years due to our treatment of innocent civilians in Desert Storm. I can think of no better role models for our youth than speaking truth to power.
    My husband's dealt with a lot of issues but he'd never dare abandon the soldiers who DO look up to him and depend on him for support.

    Not everyone has the means to put aside the only career path they've ever walked down to start a new life - especially in this failing economy. If someone's employed in the military, has little to no alternative career experience, and wants out - with 10.8% unemployment are they even going ot be able to find a job to support their familiy?

    That's just one reason why many stay in even if they don't want to.

    I respect those who follow their own path - but when they're officers and others there's more ot things than just their feelings at stake.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    They are the ones with the power to select who sets foreign policy. I do not underestimate them. They are the ones that brought an end to the Vietnam war and are bringing the Iraq war to an end.
    The armchair generals were too busy getting doped up in Vietnam and spitting on our soldiers or attending Woodstock to do anything that made an impact on our country.

    They, also, make up the vast number of Americans who don't vote.

    (That's what "Armchair General" refers to, anyway)
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