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    Envoy urges no US troop increase

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    It is not being unpatriotic or disloyal to suggest that the USA along with all it's allies at present within Afghanistan are unable to finally defeat the Taliban.
    Afghanistan is ruled by various clans and the National Government has very little sway over these clans.

    The idea that the USA and allies can walk in and defeat what is essentially a guerrilla army is simply ludicrous.

    These people simply fight in a local area then vanish like will o wisps only to pop up in some other area and start all over again.

    To suppose that our gum or candy hand outs will affect any kind of Afghanistani's acceptance of foreign troops on their land is extremely short sighted.

    Better by far that we remove ourselves from this country and leave the Taliban to take over if they are the only authority that can run this nation effectively.

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    Re: Envoy urges no US troop increase

    Oh, we could do it alright. But we're not allowed.

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    Re: Envoy urges no US troop increase

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Oh, we could do it alright. But we're not allowed.
    I don't know about 'allowed'... let's ask some serious questions here :

    Like : Why under US / Nato supervision has there been 3 years of cumulative record poppy production in afghanistan?

    Why would Russia previously want to invade Afghanistan?? Is it cause they liked the beaches, or do you figure they wanted to control the poppy fields?

    50 billion dollars a year bets that heroin is a motivating factor in the continuation of this war in afghanistan.

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    Re: Envoy urges no US troop increase

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    I don't know about 'allowed'... let's ask some serious questions here :

    Like : Why under US / Nato supervision has there been 3 years of cumulative record poppy production in afghanistan?

    Why would Russia previously want to invade Afghanistan?? Is it cause they liked the beaches, or do you figure they wanted to control the poppy fields?

    50 billion dollars a year bets that heroin is a motivating factor in the continuation of this war in afghanistan.
    I've always thought it was the poppy fields too. lol, I thought I was just being ridiculous as always...

    And we could possibly blow Afghanistan off the face of the map, unfortunately the fallout would piss off every other nation in Southern/Southeaster Asia.

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    Re: Envoy urges no US troop increase

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    I've always thought it was the poppy fields too. lol, I thought I was just being ridiculous as always...

    And we could possibly blow Afghanistan off the face of the map, unfortunately the fallout would piss off every other nation in Southern/Southeaster Asia.
    Well, the 50 billion dollars gets laundered through various banking connections no doubt... and bankers have this ability to create 10X the money they have in store. So, this 50Billion turns into 500 BILLION of black funds that have no need of congressional approuval to be spent... where else would you expect the 'black budget' to come from?? It's not like they ask congress : hey, we got this program that's super-secret, and we need 500 billion dollars, no questions asked that'll never be repayed... please??

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    Re: Envoy urges no US troop increase

    Hmmmmmm you make an interesting point...but somehow I don't know...

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    Re: Envoy urges no US troop increase

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Hmmmmmm you make an interesting point...but somehow I don't know...
    That's fair... the poppy situation in afghanistan is bad enough as it is anyway.

    Not about to do the searches again, but if you're interested search the opium statistics from afghanistan in 2006-2008 (Ie : 2006 record crops, 2007 NEW record crops, 2008 13 TIMES the previous record crop). There are also several BBC articles discussing why US / NATO troops MUST guard the poppies 'or else the taliban will take control of them'.

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    Re: Envoy urges no US troop increase

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    That's fair... the poppy situation in afghanistan is bad enough as it is anyway.

    Not about to do the searches again, but if you're interested search the opium statistics from afghanistan in 2006-2008 (Ie : 2006 record crops, 2007 NEW record crops, 2008 13 TIMES the previous record crop). There are also several BBC articles discussing why US / NATO troops MUST guard the poppies 'or else the taliban will take control of them'.
    haha I have, I used similar stats to debate with a friend 2 weeks ago. I had a feeling a few years into the Afghanistan war when I began reading up on the smuggling routes and the trade. It's quite an interesting little economy.

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    Re: Envoy urges no US troop increase

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Well, the 50 billion dollars gets laundered through various banking connections no doubt... and bankers have this ability to create 10X the money they have in store. So, this 50Billion turns into 500 BILLION of black funds that have no need of congressional approuval to be spent... where else would you expect the 'black budget' to come from?? It's not like they ask congress : hey, we got this program that's super-secret, and we need 500 billion dollars, no questions asked that'll never be repayed... please??
    So the government invades Afghanistan to secure $50 billion worth of poppy seeds, which the bankers then run through their magic 10X money multiplier and turn into $500 billion?

    Setting aside the hilarity of your claim that "bankers" can just manufacture money, the entire Taliban was only able to earn approx $100m a year for each of the past few years in taxation/tribute payments from the poppy growers. I doubt the US would be doing much better, even if we had this massive drug growing conspiracy that you're going on about.
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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    Re: Envoy urges no US troop increase

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Not about to do the searches again, but if you're interested search the opium statistics from afghanistan in 2006-2008 (Ie : 2006 record crops, 2007 NEW record crops, 2008 13 TIMES the previous record crop).
    And now you're just plain lying:

    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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