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    Re: Envoy urges no US troop increase

    That's a **** ton of opium! I want in on that!!!

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    Re: Envoy urges no US troop increase

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    And now you're just plain lying:

    Sorry, just wrong... the years were 2005 - 2007. Not 2006-2008...

    Notice in that graph though how the 'taliban controlled' numbers are dwarfed by the 'US controlled'??

    As for the previous post : YES, this is the case... it's called 'fractional reserve' banking. What this means is that for every dollar in 'reserve' (Ie : your savings accounts, bank controlled investments, etc) they can loan out 10X that amount.

    As for the exact amount of money... if it's 500 million -> 5 billion or whatever... don't take a misstatement as intentional lying.. you're own graph shows the situation quite clearly...

    Afghanistan / taliban bans poppy production... the year of near 0 production the US army shows up (for Obl, naturally) the following year it's returned to 'normal' and increased each year for four of the next 5 years (with the one year of slight decrease still being larger then any crops under Taliban rule).

    Though your graph shows yet another level of 'illogic' of the afghan war position : BBC has articles saying that if the crops are not protected by the US, then the Taliban will retake control when the taliban wanted to stop poppy production.

    Although a drug cartel would be some sort of 'conspiracy, it's not unprecedented... I mean FBI / CIA has been repeatedly caught smuggling drugs into the US, so why would you think that elements of the government would NOT be interested in control of heroin production as well?

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    Re: Envoy urges no US troop increase

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Sorry, just wrong... the years were 2005 - 2007. Not 2006-2008...
    8,000 is not 13*6,000. Your claim is still false.

    Notice in that graph though how the 'taliban controlled' numbers are dwarfed by the 'US controlled'??
    Yes, but I'm not sure what you think that proves. If we lived in a police state where anyone who broke the law would be summarily executed, I bet we could cut the rate of tax evasion to almost nothing. If the police state was removed from power and there was a vacuum of control, I bet the rate of tax evasion would skyrocket. That does not prove that one is better than the other.

    As for the previous post : YES, this is the case... it's called 'fractional reserve' banking. What this means is that for every dollar in 'reserve' (Ie : your savings accounts, bank controlled investments, etc) they can loan out 10X that amount.
    That's not "creating money."

    As for the exact amount of money... if it's 500 million -> 5 billion or whatever... don't take a misstatement as intentional lying.. you're own graph shows the situation quite clearly...

    Afghanistan / taliban bans poppy production... the year of near 0 production the US army shows up (for Obl, naturally) the following year it's returned to 'normal' and increased each year for four of the next 5 years (with the one year of slight decrease still being larger then any crops under Taliban rule).
    And again, it's rather simplistic to try to use the fact that poppy production increased as proof for your wild conspiracy theories.

    Though your graph shows yet another level of 'illogic' of the afghan war position : BBC has articles saying that if the crops are not protected by the US, then the Taliban will retake control when the taliban wanted to stop poppy production.

    Although a drug cartel would be some sort of 'conspiracy, it's not unprecedented... I mean FBI / CIA has been repeatedly caught smuggling drugs into the US, so why would you think that elements of the government would NOT be interested in control of heroin production as well?
    If you want to push your conspiracy theories, we have an entire forum for that. There's no need to keep bringing them up in other threads.
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    Re: Envoy urges no US troop increase

    The US could probably just buy the entire opium crop off from the afghan farmers, and kill multiple birds with one stone.

    Afghan people make a living, and peasants/farmers, tribal leaders ect. gain some loyalty and vested interest in the presence of the US , instead of to the Taliban.

    Black market supplies dwindle drastically (honestly IMO this is not a favorable outcome as a whole, but as a selling point it is very favorable). As a result organized crime is disrupted substantially, they will need to find supplies from countries we are NOT occupying, so Heroin addicts are not funding the Taliban

    This is probably less expensive than sending troops, not to mention the savings in human lives to be had.

    Of course there is another side effect.. a ton of opiates to be had.. CHEAP, meaning plenty of opium derivative medications available.. even previously short supplied third world countries could get quality pain killers.

    But of course it would never happen.. too bad, it would be a sensible solution to numerous problems at once, and could turn the tide in this quagmire. (and yes I know there are other problems to be had with the world wide community at large as well over this, but nothing insurmountable).
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    Re: Envoy urges no US troop increase

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    That's not "creating money."
    Ok, I have 10$ to my name... and I give you a LOAN for 100$ using my 10$ to vouch that I have the 100$. This person takes that loan and goes and buys himself a 100$ baseball card collection, gives the person a cheque, which gets cashed at a different bank... when they call you look 'ok, I got 10$ to my name so that 100$ loan cheque is certified' there's 90$ in that mix that was never printed, did not exist in anyones account, but is useable like hard currency...

    Are you using a different definition for 'creating' money?

    And again, it's rather simplistic to try to use the fact that poppy production increased as proof for your wild conspiracy theories.
    Oh no, I believe the BBC article where we must protect the poppy fields or else those that banned poppy fields would take control and if they take control we all know something bad will happen (like possibly destroying the poppy fields again)

    My 'wild' conspiracy theory where I said that the poppies were a 'factor'??

    If you want to push your conspiracy theories, we have an entire forum for that. There's no need to keep bringing them up in other threads.

    Yes, we've already established that Reuters is a conspiracy theory, I take it that now 'bbc' is a conspiracy theorist as well?? Next it'll be Fox and CNN??

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