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    Re: Official: Obama wants his war options changed

    You didn't even post a portion of the article. Follow the BN rules.
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    Re: Official: Obama wants his war options changed

    there is really no justification for the president's so public indecision and conflict with his generals

    they make him look weak and indecisive, opposite traits from what is required of his position

    they undermine confidence in him

    if he needs to take his time and deliberate, he needs to have done so a long time ago, instead of talking with mcchrystal only once in his first six months

    and he needs to take his time and deliberate privately, not on the front pages of the new york times, day after day, week after week

    he needs to decide firmly and confidently, not publicize his "leanings" on a tuesday, only to change them by wednesday

    he needs to look like a leader not so desperate to GET OUT

    if he's taking all this time to determine which of afghanistan's tribal leaders is reliable...

    well...

    afghanistan is killing this president---IN PUBLIC

    and it's going to get a lot worse

    he doesn't know what he's doing, he wants out, and he lacks the guts

    as for bush---who cares (but for historians, ie, academics)

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    Re: Official: Obama wants his war options changed

    I distinctly remember Bush taking crap from liberals for not listening to his generals. So why isn't Obama getting it?
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    Re: Official: Obama wants his war options changed

    Quote Originally Posted by StandUpChuck View Post
    Really? Because for 8 years all we heard was the Cheney pulled the puppet strings. It's almost odd at this point to hear you say otherwise.

    Topic? While I can appreciate a president exploring options, good leadership calls for decisive and sometimes swift action. If Obama was this unsure of the situation, he should have made that a bit clearer on the campaign trail instead of presenting himself as the man with the answers.
    I suggest you read "The War Within" by Bob Woodward, his fourth and final book on the Bush presidency. Writing without bias, and with full access to all the principals, Woodward shows how Bush did not even pay attention in meetings, shut out all discussion that did not match his opinion, and made decisions without regard for the consequences. Obama clearly does not function that way, he is examining all options and encouraging debate.

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    Re: Official: Obama wants his war options changed

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    there is really no justification for the president's so public indecision and conflict with his generals

    they make him look weak and indecisive, opposite traits from what is required of his position

    they undermine confidence in him

    if he needs to take his time and deliberate, he needs to have done so a long time ago, instead of talking with mcchrystal only once in his first six months

    and he needs to take his time and deliberate privately, not on the front pages of the new york times, day after day, week after week

    he needs to decide firmly and confidently, not publicize his "leanings" on a tuesday, only to change them by wednesday

    he needs to look like a leader not so desperate to GET OUT

    if he's taking all this time to determine which of afghanistan's tribal leaders is reliable...

    well...

    afghanistan is killing this president---IN PUBLIC

    and it's going to get a lot worse

    he doesn't know what he's doing, he wants out, and he lacks the guts

    as for bush---who cares (but for historians, ie, academics)
    Generals will only give advice on how to achieve a military victory or, if that is not possible, how to retain command. They will never suggest how to resolve a misguided and unfightable conflict like Afghanistan.

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    Re: Official: Obama wants his war options changed

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I distinctly remember Bush taking crap from liberals for not listening to his generals. So why isn't Obama getting it?
    Conversely, Bush listened to his Generals too much.

    Take Casey and Abizaid, for instance. Both believed that U.S. troops in Iraq were an "anti-body" and should refrain from being to involved in the populations day-to-day activities. This, of course, turned out to be a flawed theory as we found that Odierno and Petraeus' COIN strategy worked, as far as decreasing violence and increasing overall security. There were other factors that played into it; namely SOI, Shia militia cease-fire, SOF C-T targeting, etc.

    Bush actually had to be convinced NOT to listen to his Generals in Iraq because they were wrong. It was a retired GEN Jack Keane that convinced VP Cheney to change Bush's mind about "staying the course" in Iraq...which wasn't working.

    But I agree that Obama is held to a different standard.

    Remember that Generals don't always get it right.

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    Re: Official: Obama wants his war options changed

    President Barack Obama does not plan to accept any of the Afghanistan war options presented by his national security team, pushing instead for revisions to clarify how and when U.S. troops would turn over responsibility to the Afghan government, a senior administration official said Wednesday.
    Talk about getting the cart before the horse...
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    Re: Official: Obama wants his war options changed

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You didn't even post a portion of the article. Follow the BN rules.
    Why? Rules don't apply to me.
    They were created for people like you.
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    Re: Official: Obama wants his war options changed

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Exactly. We finally have a president intelligent enough to listen to his advisors and take charge when he doesn't like the options. I am enjoying the change.
    Take charge of what?
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    Re: Official: Obama wants his war options changed

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Generals will only give advice on how to achieve a military victory or, if that is not possible, how to retain command. They will never suggest how to resolve a misguided and unfightable conflict like Afghanistan.
    unfortunately, this is now obama's war

    i can hardly imagine a man less suited in his psychological make up to wage it

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