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    Re: Blackwater Said to Pursue Bribes to Iraq After 17 Died

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Joe has a point in that, a contractor has no incentive to win a war, to see it end, and consequently may find ways to keep the conflict going. The other big point I see has not yet been addressed which is, who is accountable when a contractor kills civilians? So far, as seen in Iraq, no one is even legally able to prosecute contractors whose employees massacre civilians.
    I don't think I've ever seen an example in History of a contracted military group prolonging combat to increase their pay. I could be wrong, but I'm currently writing a paper on Private Contracting and from what I've researched, Contractors go to battle, end it as quickly as possible, get their pay and retire until the next conflict. Unlike the Military who have to fight during war and maintain during peacetime, the Contractor does not, and can cut his losses at any time (within contract). The trick with contractors is they do for less what the Military cannot do (sometimes at all).

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Also, about the overhead, seems to me that American tax dollars would be paying every penny of the maintenance of contractors, plus the profit. When the military is paid, there is no profit factored in. I assume a contractor force nets at least 40% profit?
    If a business wants to secure its assets, is it cheaper to create a whole new in house operation, plus costs of equipment, manpower, training, etc. or does it hire, for a significantly cheaper price, and outside firm to do all the work for it. PMCs absorb the cost of their initial start-up but from that point on can make a profit by cutting costs for the Military. If the Military had to pay them more or the same as if it had done the work itself, why would they even bother? (Political corruption and favorites aside.)

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    Re: Blackwater Said to Pursue Bribes to Iraq After 17 Died

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Go play with yourself boy, there's adults trying to have a conversation here


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    Re: Blackwater Said to Pursue Bribes to Iraq After 17 Died

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Eh, If the people want to go to war, then Drafting is aiiiight.

    The Problems with drafting that I would be wary of would be:
    1) draft dodgers putting a strain on the Justice System (especially since nationalism has gone down and "dissent is patriotic" emotion has gone up)
    2) Could find a large number of 'conscientious objectors' doing nothing combat related but still getting the base pay grade prior to going C.O.

    Forcing people to do something is not always the best route, it's best to rely on the volunteers first, then those loyal to the money, and if you get down to having to use those who don't want to fight, you're doomed anyways.
    But it's just those types of problems that would help keep check on needless wars. In WW2, virtually everyone served admirably because the war was so just; in Vietnam it was actually the veterans that began the protests to end an unecessary war.

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    Re: Blackwater Said to Pursue Bribes to Iraq After 17 Died

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe1991 View Post
    But it's just those types of problems that would help keep check on needless wars. In WW2, virtually everyone served admirably because the war was so just; in Vietnam it was actually the veterans that began the protests to end an unecessary war.
    Warning!!! Anecdote to follow:

    One of the most honorable men I know now contracts with Triple Canopy after serving three tours in Iraq with the Army Rangers and receiving multiple disctinctions for his service.
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    Re: Blackwater Said to Pursue Bribes to Iraq After 17 Died

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    Warning!!! Anecdote to follow:

    One of the most honorable men I know now contracts with Triple Canopy after serving three tours in Iraq with the Army Rangers and receiving multiple disctinctions for his service.



    Yup, you can serve your country in **** that would make these types piss thier pants, but you take a contract, you are worse than a terrorist to these types....


    Triple Canopy are legit.... We did some training courses for a group going to protect some oil platforms or some such a couple years ago...
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    Re: Blackwater Said to Pursue Bribes to Iraq After 17 Died

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Indendent contractors will always place profit before honor. There is no job that Blackwater or other private army performs that cannot be performed better by a US serviceman or woman.
    Then why would we hire them? Unless everyone in government and the military is a drooling retard and you're some brilliant scholar, doesn't it seem more likely that there are actually good reasons to use private contractors that you just don't know about? I mean, we use them in almost every other area, so why not this?

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    I think the main problem is this. When Blackwater massacred 17 civilians in Baghdad, they fell under no legal jurisdiction, and could not be arrested.
    And now you're just lying. 5 guards were indicted because of the Nisoor Square incident. You already knew that, because I told you 3 and a half months ago. Why do you continue to repeat this crap?
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    Re: Blackwater Said to Pursue Bribes to Iraq After 17 Died

    What can Blackwater do that the military can't?
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    Drive these:

    I still want one of these...
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    Re: Blackwater Said to Pursue Bribes to Iraq After 17 Died

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe1991 View Post
    But it's just those types of problems that would help keep check on needless wars. In WW2, virtually everyone served admirably because the war was so just; in Vietnam it was actually the veterans that began the protests to end an unecessary war.
    Excellent observation, though do we want to go through another vietnam-esque situation to make new Veterans to protest? I'm a strong believer in a strong defense and lots, and lots, of artillery and bombers.

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    Re: Blackwater Said to Pursue Bribes to Iraq After 17 Died

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    I still want one of these...
    My little brother and I are saving up to buy a decommissioned one and then creating a paintball/potato cannon tank out of it.

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    Re: Blackwater Said to Pursue Bribes to Iraq After 17 Died

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    I still want one of these...
    How long until they find a way to blow up the grizzly?

    I''ll give it 3 months before it becomes obsolete.

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