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    Re: Blackwater Said to Pursue Bribes to Iraq After 17 Died

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I don't believe that there is any place within our military operations for Blackwater, or any org like them.

    IMO, I think the US needs to create a foreign legion, a copy of the French Foreign Legion. The Blackwater types can join that unit and do their thing.
    Exactly. Troops should be under the chain of command, and should be responsible for their actions, with the UCMJ to enforce military law. Allowing private companies like Xe to run amok, and ignore the law, gives America a black eye. You just can't have a bunch of Dirty Harry's running around and toasting civilians, which is pretty much what Blackwater was doing.
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    Re: Blackwater Said to Pursue Bribes to Iraq After 17 Died

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    Re: Blackwater Said to Pursue Bribes to Iraq After 17 Died

    This world needs mercenaries. If only they were cheaper and maybe had an ethical code...

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    Re: Blackwater Said to Pursue Bribes to Iraq After 17 Died

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    Then the military should start doing it.
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    I do not oppose the existence of private security contractors. However, their missions need to be clearly defined and they need to be subjected to the Laws of Land Warfare, the Geneva Convention and Theater-specific Rules of Engagement, which they are not. I do believe there is a place for them; primarily because they take the burden of the military for some menial tasks that we would rather not do, nor have to manpower to do. If a squad of Blackwater guys can escort an Iraqi politician around, then that alleviates a Platoon of American GIs to do the same task. However, these Blackwater guys can't go shooting up town. They should have to fall under a U.S. command element that tracks their movement; not to mention have constant communications with said HQ. I am also not opposed to security contractors training the Iraqi military and police, as long as the training is planned and supervised by U.S. and Iraqi military personnel.

    Security contractors have a place on the battlefield; but as I stated before, not in the capacity that we've allowed.

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    Re: Blackwater Said to Pursue Bribes to Iraq After 17 Died

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    American,
    I do not oppose the existence of private security contractors. However, their missions need to be clearly defined and they need to be subjected to the Laws of Land Warfare, the Geneva Convention and Theater-specific Rules of Engagement, which they are not. I do believe there is a place for them; primarily because they take the burden of the military for some menial tasks that we would rather not do, nor have to manpower to do. If a squad of Blackwater guys can escort an Iraqi politician around, then that alleviates a Platoon of American GIs to do the same task. However, these Blackwater guys can't go shooting up town. They should have to fall under a U.S. command element that tracks their movement; not to mention have constant communications with said HQ. I am also not opposed to security contractors training the Iraqi military and police, as long as the training is planned and supervised by U.S. and Iraqi military personnel.

    Security contractors have a place on the battlefield; but as I stated before, not in the capacity that we've allowed.
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    Re: Blackwater Said to Pursue Bribes to Iraq After 17 Died

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    American,
    I do not oppose the existence of private security contractors. However, their missions need to be clearly defined and they need to be subjected to the Laws of Land Warfare, the Geneva Convention and Theater-specific Rules of Engagement, which they are not. I do believe there is a place for them; primarily because they take the burden of the military for some menial tasks that we would rather not do, nor have to manpower to do. If a squad of Blackwater guys can escort an Iraqi politician around, then that alleviates a Platoon of American GIs to do the same task. However, these Blackwater guys can't go shooting up town. They should have to fall under a U.S. command element that tracks their movement; not to mention have constant communications with said HQ. I am also not opposed to security contractors training the Iraqi military and police, as long as the training is planned and supervised by U.S. and Iraqi military personnel.

    Security contractors have a place on the battlefield; but as I stated before, not in the capacity that we've allowed.
    I don't see the point in having them. We have plenty of military; I have issues with all this contracting out anyway. The govt is slowly coming to the conclusion that all this contracting out was a big mistake.
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    Re: Blackwater Said to Pursue Bribes to Iraq After 17 Died

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    We have plenty of military
    Actually, we don't. If we picked up all of Blackwater's missions too, it would be ugly.


    I have issues with all this contracting out anyway. The govt is slowly coming to the conclusion that all this contracting out was a big mistake.
    I don't have an issue with contractors as long as they are not no-bid contracts and follow the military's rules and regulations in the warzone.

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    Re: Blackwater Said to Pursue Bribes to Iraq After 17 Died

    Bush gave the security contract to Blackwater because Eric Prince was a "Christian", and Bush trusted him. No vetting, no investigation, just a gut decision, and now we are left with this. Just one more legacy of the worst president America will ever have.

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    Re: Blackwater Said to Pursue Bribes to Iraq After 17 Died

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Not to support Blackwater, but isn't that what we call political donating?
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    Re: Blackwater Said to Pursue Bribes to Iraq After 17 Died

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Bush gave the security contract to Blackwater because Eric Prince was a "Christian", and Bush trusted him.
    Not sure that is true, nor that Bush knows Prince personally. Maybe, I don't know.

    Blackwater is by no means the only private security firm in Iraq and AFG. There are many...they have just done enough shady stuff to become high profile and now everyone associates all private security firms with Blackwater. It started when the Blackwater guys were killed and their bodies burned in Fallujah. I think BW has been serving retrobution ever since, which of course causes great problems for military units in Iraq that have to answer for their shenanigans.

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