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Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

texmaster said:
You can excuse the reason for the attack by pretending it doesn't exist and pointing to a different one.
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You could, but this is not what Obama is doing. If you have a real example of him doing this, please share it with us.
 
Redress said:
First, please read the rules of this subforum posted at the top of the forum.
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I have.

Secondly, what exactly is wrong with saying that we don't know all the details yet? That is what Obama said, and to the best of my knowledge, this is true.
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Talk about a selective memory. Did you even watch the entire video? He only suggested one possible reason for the attack and it wasn't terrorism. It was stress.

Next time watch the whole video.

If he was really only interested in waiting for the truth (which we already know what it is) then he would never have suggested the bs argument of stress as a cause.
 
I reiterate Obama will not say anything against another Muslim, and that Islam says it is okay for a Muslim to lie all they want to infidels.

Every scrap of evidence says this Hasan nut's action were premeditated and Obama may well be setting up a sympathy defense. Not for Hasan but for himself if he at some point decides to commute his death sentence and cite that it's either on humanitarian grounds or that it's to show the Muslim world that the U.S. is a compassionate Nation, Blah, Blah, Blah.
If you are one of those who believes that because Obama attended an Anti-American semi-Christian Church he's not the Muslim he was raised as, read this or watch it. Then think about the one thing Obam is very, very good at. That one thing is lying. He is a consummate liar.
It's time to decide that you're not going to allow yourself to be fooled by lies any longer.
This is not about Democrat or Republican, it's about pro-American or anti-American. Don't let the lies and empty promises cloud your judgment there are solutions to all our problems and issues that don't have to be Anti-Constitutional and spend us into 3rd world status. Judge Obama on his actions not the lies he's so good at.

In Obamba's own words while talking with George Stephanopoulos, September 7, 2008.

Obama: "You're absolutely right that John McCain has not ah talked about my Muslim faith and you're absolutely right that is not som".

Stephanopoulos: "Your Christian faith".

Obama: "My Christian faith".

It was a Classic Freudian slip you say. A Freudian slip is defined as; A verbal mistake that is thought to reveal an unconscious belief, thought, or emotion. In other words the truth.
Obama: "My Muslim Faith" - Google Videos
 
Re: Obama now claims stress made the guy kill those soliders

Redress said:
Please show me in Obama's words where he made any excuse for Islamic terrorists.
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Read what I wrote. He excuses the cause for the violence by pretending its something that its not. That is the crime and liberals all over the country are repeating this lie.
 
We have seen in the past rampages of this sort, and in a country of 300 million, there are going to be acts of violence that are going to be inexplicable.

Obama
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Problem is, this we can explain.

Too much PC BS.

Redress said:
Yes, it is well known you cannot give an award to some one of another religion...
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You can, and I encourage it, but I do not see Wright or Farrakhan as much other than a bunch of Hate artist racists. One celebrating the other's fine work at poisoning the well.

Dividers... which is one reason Obama's call for "Unity" was such a load of BS. Where in the world did he hear about anything resembling "Unity" at Trinity United Church... except for in the name of the church?

Obama heard more "Whitey's" than Whitey Herzog.

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Zyphlin said:
Its one thing for liberal pundits to spout this BS, its another thing for some poster to completely misrepresent the Presidents words and spit on the dead bodies of those fallen soldiers in hopes of doing nothing but furthering his own political gains.

Great job Tex, you are doing a wonderful job exploiting the deaths of our soldiers.

You even point it out, While an investigation isn't complete. He's saying he's not going to make a comment or jump to ANY conclusions until the investigation is complete. You're just pissy because he won't jump to YOUR conclusion before its complete.
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You're right. We certainly do not know anything about this guy.

We have no idea he went to a medical confrence and said Muslims are justified attacking non believers.

We certainly don't know from other soliders that he tried to recruit during therapy sessions.

And of course we have no idea the fact that he had over 20 emails with an Al Queada recruiter.

And no idea from eye witnesses that he shouted Allahu Akbar while he murdered the soldiers.


But we do know we can throw out the "stress" excuse right? We have all the evidence of that! Oh wait, we don't.

Do you just want to pretend none of this exists? Is that your strategy?
 
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texmaster said:
You're right. We certainly do not know anything about this guy.

We have no idea he went to a medical confrence and said Muslims are justified attacking non believers.

We certainly don't know from other soliders that he tried to recruit during therapy sessions.

And of course we have no idea the fact that he had over 20 emails with an Al Queada recruiter.

And no idea from eye witnesses that he shouted Allahu Akbar while he murdered the soldiers.


But we do know we can throw out the "stress" excuse right? We have all the evidence of that! Oh wait, we don't.

Do you just want to pretend none of this exists? Is that your strategy?
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Jesus...:doh

Did you even bother to read the rest of that post?

Are you seriously saying that his extremist islamist views that are beginning to become more and more aired likely had NOTHING to do with the reason he snapped at all? That take out the islamist element and it'd have happened the exact same way?

I don't agree with those saying it was purely and completely done due to his religion, but its equally foolish to say that his extreme view of his religion likely had nothing to do with it either.
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Redress said:
You could, but this is not what Obama is doing. If you have a real example of him doing this, please share it with us.
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I just did.

We have zero evidence he suffered from stress.

Zero.


We do have a mountain of evidence he was an Islamic extremist.

That's the difference.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
Jesus...:doh

Did you even bother to read the rest of that post?
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Obviously you missed the part where he defended Obama touting stress and claiming neither side had enough evidence to support it when its such a laughable claim as I proved.

You even point it out, While an investigation isn't complete. He's saying he's not going to make a comment or jump to ANY conclusions until the investigation is complete. You're just pissy because he won't jump to YOUR conclusion before its complete.
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Did you miss this in his post?
 
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texmaster said:
I have.
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So you choose not to follow them?



Talk about a selective memory. Did you even watch the entire video? He only suggested one possible reason for the attack and it wasn't terrorism. It was stress.

Next time watch the whole video.

If he was really only interested in waiting for the truth (which we already know what it is) then he would never have suggested the bs argument of stress as a cause.
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You need to research better. He was quite clear that we do not know all the reasons. That is not making an excuse for terrorists. There are in fact no excuses offered.

What you are doing, as pointed out by another, is using a tragedy to try and further a political agenda, and doing that by twisting the words of Obama. Shame on you sir, shame on you.
 
texmaster said:
Obviously you missed the part where he defended Obama touting stress and claiming neither side had enough evidence to support it when its such a laughable claim as I proved.
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Actually he said that he was waiting until the investigation was finished before commenting on it and jumping to conclusions. Nice try, though. :2wave:
 
Redress said:
So you choose not to follow them?
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No I did follow them.

You need to research better. He was quite clear that we do not know all the reasons. That is not making an excuse for terrorists. There are in fact no excuses offered.
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Again you completely ignore Obama's own words. He suggested a reason without any evidence to support it then disregarded the one possibility with a mountain of evidence behind it.

Until you can understand that, there is nothing more to say.

What you are doing, as pointed out by another, is using a tragedy to try and further a political agenda, and doing that by twisting the words of Obama. Shame on you sir, shame on you.
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Oh yes. By pointing to the reason he attacked those troops I'm furthering a political agenda.

So you are claiming that if you conclude based on all the evidence we know this guy is an Islamic terrorist you are a Conservative but if you deny that evidence and offer a reason without any evidence to support that claim, you're a liberal.
 
texmaster said:
Again you completely ignore Obama's own words. He suggested a reason without any evidence to support it then disregarded the one possibility with a mountain of evidence behind it.
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And you continue to misrepresent Obama's words. It's a topsy turvy world, isn't it? :roll:
 
Dr_Patrick said:
Actually he said that he was waiting until the investigation was finished before commenting on it and jumping to conclusions. Nice try, though. :2wave:
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How many must it be said before you read it?

He suggested a reason, only ONE reason for the attack without evidence to support it, not suggesting any other reason for the attack then you ignore that and focus only on his second statement.

You bought right into his spin. Nice job. :2wave:
 
Dr_Patrick said:
And you continue to misrepresent Obama's words. It's a topsy turvy world, isn't it? :roll:
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Actually I'm listening to his words, not being selective in what I hear as you are.
 
texmaster said:
How many must it be said before you read it?

He suggested a reason, only ONE reason for the attack without evidence to support it, not suggesting any other reason for the attack then you ignore that and focus only on his second statement.

You bought right into his spin. Nice job. :2wave:
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Yeah, I think I'll save my comments for someone who is actually interested in engaging in a logical discussion and not just regurgitating right wing pundit talking points. Thanks, though.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
Yeah, I think I'll save my comments for someone who is actually interested in engaging in a logical discussion and not just regurgitating right wing pundit talking points. Thanks, though.
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Not a problem. Since you want to ignore the fact he suggested a reason without evidence to support it there is nothing more to say.
 
Re: Obama now claims stress made the guy kill those soliders

texmaster said:
Read what I wrote. He excuses the cause for the violence by pretending its something that its not. That is the crime and liberals all over the country are repeating this lie.
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Nowhere have I seen Obama excusing the cause of the violence, in this thread or in the news.
 
Obama didn't define the difference between an act of violence and an act of terrorism. That right there makes me wonder...Does he not know the definition, more likely does he not know a definition that won't bring his critics down on him, or did he really just offer that lovely little bit of tell-nothing information about how people crack under stress to avoid the answering as much of question as he could?

He may not have excused it, but he sure as hell avoided answering that question in whole.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
So in other words... "Nuh uh! You are!!!" :lol:
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You want to claim we are the same?

Answer this one simple question.


If he truly did want to wait until we knew all the evidence before coming to any conclusions then why suggest stress at all? Answer me that.
 
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Catawba said:
Nowhere have I seen Obama excusing the cause of the violence, in this thread or in the news.
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I'll say it again

He excuses the cause for the violence by pretending its something that its not. That is the crime and liberals all over the country are repeating this lie.
 
texmaster said:
You want to claim we are the same?

Answer this one simple question.


If he truly did want to wait until we knew all the evidence before coming to any conclusions then why suggest stress at all? Answer me that.
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He might be actually trying to gather information this time before repeating the Crowley-Gates mistake of just saying Hasan "Acted stupidly" :lol:
 
texmaster said:
You want to claim we are the same?

Answer this one simple question.


If he truly did want to wait until we knew all the evidence before coming to any conclusions then why suggest stress at all? Answer me that.
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Because it absolutely could have been a factor in what happened. I'm not saying religion didn't play a part because it obviously did. Terrorist acts, from what I've seen in the past, are fairly well organized and goal oriented. Shooting up a military base doesn't come off as well organized to me. It sounds to me like he may have snapped as well. Are you going to say that religion was his ONLY motivator even though the investigation isn't finished?
 
EpicDude86 said:
He might be actually trying to gather information this time before repeating the Crowley-Gates mistake of just saying Hasan "Acted stupidly" :lol:
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LOL A great point. He certainly didn't have trouble concluding the police acted stupidly did he?

The very fact he suggested a cause without evidence then proclaimed we should wait for all the evidence is in is somehow lost on some folks as being an issue. Amazing.
 
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