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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    No, you did not: "All Opening Post threads posted in *BN* must have...Quoted short excerpts from the article
    As you very well know, its a video

    Its a legitimate news source and I put the title in the title of the thread as indicated in the rules.

    Let me try this slower for you, so maybe it sinks in. He makes no excuse, he offers no explanations.
    That is a lie.

    He suggests stress as the cause

    I quote:

    and I think everybody understands how outstanding the young men and women in uniform are under the most severe stress -- there are going to be instances in which an individual cracks.

    So please stop pretending he doesn't offer an explanation when he clearly does.

    He does say "is this an individual who's acting in this way or is it some larger set of actors?" Hey look, he offers multiple possible scenarios.
    Then name them. If you want to continue this fantasy, name the other "scenarios" he lists besides stress. Go ahead.

    He follows with "You know, what are the motivations? Those are all questions that I think we have to ask ourselves. Until we have these answers buttoned down, I'd rather not comment on it." He asks questions and says until there are answers, he is not going to comment. No excuses, no picking only one possible scenario, no disregarding any scenario.
    Wrong again. He only mentions stress as a possible cause which I just quoted.

    You are using this to attack a president who you dislike, that is working to further your political agenda. You are being dishonest in how you do it, and are using a tragedy to do it, which makes it doubly shameful.
    And you are spitting on the deaths of these soldiers by trying to excuse the president from suggesting a cause without evidence and ignoring the cause that has a mountain of evidence behind it.
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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    And you are spitting on the deaths of these soldiers by trying to excuse the president from suggesting a cause without evidence and ignoring the cause that has a mountain of evidence behind it.
    And you aren't for attacking the President for purely partisan reasons? There is nothing to excuse the President for. He wants to wait until the investigation is complete before jumping to conclusions. How hard is that for you to comprehend?

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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    I'll agree that it is too early to jump to conclusions. However, there were ties to extremist ideology. Saying that stress was the deciding factor causing Hasan to commit, if not an act of terrorism, at least an act of mass murder, is ridiculous. Stress doesn't make someone a murderer. Extremism does.

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    Re: Obama now claims stress made the guy kill those soliders

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Obama didn't define the difference between an act of violence and an act of terrorism. That right there makes me wonder...Does he not know the definition, more likely does he not know a definition that won't bring his critics down on him, or did he really just offer that lovely little bit of tell-nothing information about how people crack under stress to avoid the answering as much of question as he could?

    He may not have excused it, but he sure as hell avoided answering that question in whole.
    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    I'll say it again

    He excuses the cause for the violence by pretending its something that its not. That is the crime and liberals all over the country are repeating this lie.

    How can anyone pretend to know what went on in this guys head at this point? Seems like the prudent thing to do would be to wait for more information before making declarations.

    Saying that this guy may have cracked under stress is not excusing anything. Do not Muslims crack under stress, just as do Baptists?

    Do you recall what Obama said about punishment for this guy? Any talk of leniency there?
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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Because he didn't jump to conclusions. He brought up that stress could be a factor. By saying that it's absolutely not a factor you are just as absurd as those who say that religion was absolutely not a factor.
    Sigh. I ask you again why did he only bring up this one factor then? Why not bring them all up especially the ones with real tangible evidence behind them?

    Again you misrepresent his words. Big shocker there.
    No I'm forcing you to defend your inability to comprehend that one suggestion as you call it is indefensible unless you are going to bring them all up. He didn't because he doesn't want to deal with the very real possibility supported with evidence that this guy is simply a jihadist.

    You also don't have all of the information that the investigators do, so jumping to conclusions would be foolish.
    I at least have evidence to support my claim. 4 points I listed earlier. You have nothing to support your defense of a stress excuse. Sorry, its not equal footing.

    It's quite obvious at this point that religion was a factor. Was it the only factor? Who knows? I doubt it was, judging from what happened.
    Now please read this carefully. The entire point is that he doesn't mention any other factors except stress. Do you even acknolwedge that?

    However, I'm also going to have an open mind and wait and see what the people conducting the actual investigation say rather than believing some random guy on a debate forum. Do you comprehend now?
    If you want to claim to be open minded then don't excuse the president giving only one reason for the attack in a speech while ignoring the one factor with evidence behind it.
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    Re: Obama now claims stress made the guy kill those soliders

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    How can anyone pretend to know what went on in this guys head at this point? Seems like the prudent thing to do would be to wait for more information before making declarations.

    Saying that this guy may have cracked under stress is not excusing anything. Do not Muslims crack under stress, just as do Baptists?

    Do you recall what Obama said about punishment for this guy? Any talk of leniency there?
    Do you understand there is a mountain of evidence supporting this guy was only interested in Jihad and no evidence that it was stress? Can you acknowledge that?
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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Sigh. I ask you again why did he only bring up this one factor then? Why not bring them all up especially the ones with real tangible evidence behind them? .
    Because there is only so many hours in a day and he is probably busy.

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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    He even explains why he is not answering the question in whole: "Until we have these answers buttoned down, I'd rather not comment on it." Answers unknown, best not to speculate much. That damn liberal...
    Well then this is simply a case of hypocrisy. No big deal.

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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I'll agree that it is too early to jump to conclusions. However, there were ties to extremist ideology. Saying that stress was the deciding factor causing Hasan to commit, if not an act of terrorism, at least an act of mass murder, is ridiculous. Stress doesn't make someone a murderer. Extremism does.
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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    Why is it so hard to say:

    "Major Hassan, who spent a lot of time, and effort praising, researching and being indoctrinated with the Jihadist Mind Set, decided to wage his own personal Jihad and killed American Soldiers because of this?"

    Is it a blind spot in the progressive mind to have to BLAME something related to America's "sins" instead of the obvious answer?
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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