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Thread: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Again, killing people for religious reasons does not equal terrorism.
    This guy was an AQ recruit, what exactly do you consider terrorism?

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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    So are street gangs in New York charged with terrorism? Because they do the same thing. Again, you are grasping at straws here.
    What political or social objectives are they trying to obtain?

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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Neither are directly tied to any terrorist type group.

    I'm asking, in your own personal definition.
    Nidal is directly tied to AQ through the AQ recruiter and Imam Anwar al-Awlaki.

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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    So are street gangs in New York charged with terrorism? Because they do the same thing. Again, you are grasping at straws here.
    Terrorism can be a criminal charge, however they're going to prosecute street gangs and other domestic terrorists like other criminals. The KKK doesn't get terrorism charges, they get hate crime charges. It's all about context.

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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Terrorism can be a criminal charge, however they're going to prosecute street gangs and other domestic terrorists like other criminals. The KKK doesn't get terrorism charges, they get hate crime charges. It's all about context.
    Correct, EpicDude86.

    If a KKK'er commits a crime the feds will charge them with that crime, and throw a hate crime book at them too, if it is applicable.

    Same goes for gangbangers - if they commit a crime the court will charge them for that crime and their gang affiliation will add time to their penalty - the judge will also throw a gang affiliation book at them.

    Anyway.

    I think too many people are splitting hairs over this one - there is no doubt that they are terrorists, and they have commited a heinous crime against America, and humanity as a whole, but the Obama administration chose to try them in federal court versus a military one - this is their choice like it or not - now, if they start putting Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and the CIA on trial, then I say it is wrong, wrong, wrong - they are not the ones charged and on trial, the ones charged out of GITMO for what they did should be the only concern for the trial - all else is not relevant to the trial. Show the crime they committed, prove it was them, and then sentence them for it.

    Also, I believe technically it would be better to try them in federal court because they are not US soldiers and they did not commit a direct crime against the US military - but this doesn't mean they should walk for what they did, and they won't - but, if they start trying to swing the trial away from the charged and toward us - holler - holler - holler 'til it stops, and rake them over the coals for their attempt.

    I say for now, good folks need to pick their battles with this one - watch, see where it goes, but continue to argue for President Dithers to give Gen. McChrystal what he needs - this is a good argument that needs to be heard for the sake of the boots on the ground, and keeping tyranny down. If Afghanistan falls to the weigh-side it will fall to Iran's proxies, in turn Iran, and the same for Iraq if we don't help set up a strong governments their to keep them from taking over the region, and then all else from there until the world is nothing but Islamo Nazis if we allow it.

    Don't get me wrong here - I am not against Muslims - there are many, many good Muslims in the world, just as there are Christians, Jews, Buudhists, non-believers, and so on down the line. The fanatics we discuss here on this thread, the ones who are about to go on trial, are a cut from a different cloth - they are intolerant of all others but themselves, and that is even questionable.

    The world does not need more intolerance - it needs more tolerance.
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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I noticed that, too. Political correctness sucks. Especially when it dictates one's every opinion.
    Yes it does suck - especially when it causes good men to do nothing when there were clear warnings from co-workers and the terrorist's own mouth.

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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    You know, I'm starting to like "Liberal" women...

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    Re: Obama now claims stress made the guy kill those soliders

    I don't think it's an excuse, it's logical. Think about it, if you were being tortured for information, and you knew it would stop if you gave information (fictional or not), wouldn't you? I'm not saying there is a bigger picture here, but Hasan could be coving for someone. These trials will prove fatal to him, public or not.

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