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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Isn't the 2001 War in Afghanistan still technically ongoing or did we not declare war there? I know it's more of an informal conflict...But I can't find any solid looking sources...would the Dept of the State have that info?
    If yer running for President, you should already know this, your look for solid sources just ended.

    Section 2 - Authorization For Use of United States Armed Forces
    (a) IN GENERAL- That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.

    (b) War Powers Resolution Requirements-

    (1) SPECIFIC STATUTORY AUTHORIZATION- Consistent with section 8(a)(1) of the War Powers Resolution, the Congress declares that this section is intended to constitute specific statutory authorization within the meaning of section 5(b) of the War Powers Resolution.
    (2) APPLICABILITY OF OTHER REQUIREMENTS- Nothing in this resolution supercedes (sic) any requirement of the War Powers Resolution.

    Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    This guy was his own little terrorist group, and you don't want to face it. The guy even had business cards. Keep your head in the sand.
    Where have I said he is not? Keep trying to put words in my mouth, see how well that works for you.
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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    This is just sickening as well as extremely stupid.
    So is posting partisan hack pieces in breaking news.

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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Lets get back on topic.

    Today Major Hasan officially charged with 13 counts of premeditated murder. So this indicates that prosecuters do not believe he just snaped. He had been planning these attacks for some time.


    Ft. Hood suspect charged; Obama orders review of intelligence
    How long is 'some time'?

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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Jones View Post
    I do not believe it will be on TV. It will be held in a military court of law, afterall he was in the miltary and commited crimes against the miltary.

    As far as it being open to the public - I doubt it - and if it is obviously it will have to be limited.

    As for the evidence - guilty as charged - they have more than enough to find him guilty, and obviously, that's because he is guilty.

    Like they say - if you can't do the time, don't do the crime.
    I think he was charged by the Army Jag with 13 counts of homicide, so definitely, military trial.

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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    This guy was his own little terrorist group, and you don't want to face it. The guy even had business cards. Keep your head in the sand.
    This guy was a mass murderer with religious tendencies. There's a difference. He's as much a terrorist as the guy who shot up the gym in Pittsburgh.

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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    This guy was a mass murderer with religious tendencies. There's a difference. He's as much a terrorist as the guy who shot up the gym in Pittsburgh.
    If he was really planning a terrorist act, he had the opportunity to do far worse damage. Majors are not frisked, their cars are not inspected. He could have detonated a device near a large gathering of troops, a meeting of general staff, or a presidential visit. How much planning does it require to walk into a room with guns blazing?

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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    If he was really planning a terrorist act, he had the opportunity to do far worse damage. Majors are not frisked, their cars are not inspected. He could have detonated a device near a large gathering of troops, a meeting of general staff, or a presidential visit. How much planning does it require to walk into a room with guns blazing?
    Acts of terrorism are not relegated to only detonating bombs... what he might have done differently to maximize damage is irrelevant. Legally Title 18 USC Section 2232(b) identifies what constitutes such an act of terrorism.

    Whether or not we believe it is or is not depends on our personal definition of terrorism is/is not. Given the evidence so far, his actions were motivated at least in part by his religious views. I have seen no PTSD evidence other than talking heads on television and reporters making that claim. That his "Jihad" and Islamic views were in direct conflict with his military service, and that one's motivation for easily gaining access to weapons he already had in his possession, seems reasonable in carrying out the act. Him screaming Allah Ackbar as reported, signifies and provides weight that his Islamic views were part of his motivation --- the question is: Was this act of killing 13 and wounding 29 an act to strike fear and intimidate into the U.S. Government, the U.S. military or the citizens of the United States?

    The FBI defines terrorism as:

    "The unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a Government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives."

    Again, given the public information, the act does seem to fit an act of terrorism - and yes, that would mean the guy who shot up the Jewish location could also be an act of terrorism. Frequently the Oklahoma City Bombing is characterized as an act of domestic terrorism, so why wouldn't this act? I'm not following this whole apologist track... and it may be that his mental instability LED him to the jihadist view which eventually motivated the killings.

    I'm still more upset that the warning signs were there, were ignored, and this unstable person was promoted --- all because of perceived sensitivities to Muslims. I find that unacceptable and his chain of command need a good shellacking.

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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The FBI defines terrorism as:

    "The unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a Government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives."
    But was that his motive, to shift government policies? I don't think it was. I think his motive was PERSONAL. He was acting out his personal rage and angst at the circumstances of his life, which included being muslim and being deployed to perform work that caused him ethical issues. This is the (admittedly subtle) different between mass murder and terrorism...Columbine High School versus blowing up a bus full of Jewish people in the west bank. Hasan was expressing his PERSONAL rage and pain against those he saw as causing the pain.

    I don't see that his motive, as stated above, differed substantially from the motives of George Sodini.

    Here's a blog post from George Sodini, dated 5 Nov 2008:

    Planned to do this in the summer but figure to stick around to see the election outcome. This particular one got so much attention and I was just curious. Not like I give a flying fcuk who won, since this exit plan was already planned. Good luck to Obama! He will be successful. The liberal media LOVES him. Amerika has chosen The Black Man. Good! In light of this I got ideas outside of Obama’s plans for the economy and such. Here it is: Every black man should get a young white girl hoe to hone up on. Kinda a reverse indentured servitude thing. Long ago, many a older white male landowner had a young Negro wench girl for his desires. Bout’ time tables are turned on that ****. Besides, dem young white hoez dig da bruthrs! LOL. More so than they dig the white dudes! Every daddy know when he sends his little girl to college, she be bangin a bruthr real good. I saw it. “Not my little girl”, daddy says! (Yeah right!!) Black dudes have thier choice of best white hoez. You do the math, there are enough young white so all the brothers can each have one for 3 or 6 months or so.
    Was George Sodini's act political, or personal? Was Hasan's act political, or personal? In both cases, it appears to me that they were PERSONAL. Their mass murders were PERSONAL expressions of rage directed at those who became identified in the murderers' heads as being responsible, somehow, for their pain & suffering. Ditto, Columbine.

    Frequently the Oklahoma City Bombing is characterized as an act of domestic terrorism, so why wouldn't this act
    Because their motives were political, and not personal.

    I'm still more upset that the warning signs were there, were ignored, and this unstable person was promoted --- all because of perceived sensitivities to Muslims. I find that unacceptable and his chain of command need a good shellacking.
    This is the real issue, IMO.
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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    This guy was a mass murderer with religious tendencies. There's a difference. He's as much a terrorist as the guy who shot up the gym in Pittsburgh.
    I guess it's just a coincidence that he glorified and justified suicide bombings. That he carried around business cards with Soldier of Allah inscribed on them. That he said that Muslims should murder Americans. That he stood up and yelled the Jihadist battle cry of Allahu Akbar before he began opening fire. I guess, also, that it's just a coincidence that two of the 9-11 hijackers attended the same Mosque as Nidal under the tutelage of the radical wahhabist Imam Anwar al Awlaki who himself was under investigation by the FBI before he fled to Yemen. This is the same Imam who has since praised the fort hood attacker as a "a hero," and that he "is a man of conscience who could not bear living the contradiction of being a Muslim and serving in an army that is fighting against his own people." And that's not all folks, this is the very same Imam who Nidal emailed up to 20 times before the deadly attack. It should be clear to anyone by now that this was a Jihadist attack inspired by radical Islamist ideology and not simply a guy who snapped.

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