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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Define "public"?

    The civil courts are granted broad restrictions on media access.

    The military courts are even more secure.

    Not that it matters, the evidence makes this a slam dunk for the prosecution.

    Then we hang the terrorist.

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    Why is it that all those people who bitch and moan about how racist the United States is in their eyes refuse to move to whatever country they feel is better? Lord knows that we racists don't want their useless asses around here, so why don't they go where they'll be more comfortable?
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    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial
    They can restrict what the jury sees, but the courtroom is generally open to the public at large. But I don't really know how Military Law works...
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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    That's a good point, since this is technically wartime, can his trial (is it a Court Martial by the way?) be restricted to certain parties or is it still required to be a Public Trial?
    When was war declared by Congress?

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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial.
    Didn't define "public".

    It doesn't necessarily mean televised or broadcast.

    Cameras in the court do weird things to people. Look at how Ito let OJ get off.

    Now, mind you, I've no real objection to cameras and court rooms, but occasionally they get in the way. Especially for these high-media circus events.

    If there's a chance the TV buffoons could cause a mistrial or otherwise prevent the just and propert guilty verdict for this terrorists, they shouldn't be allowed in the court.

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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    When was war declared by Congress?
    Isn't the 2001 War in Afghanistan still technically ongoing or did we not declare war there? I know it's more of an informal conflict...But I can't find any solid looking sources...would the Dept of the State have that info?

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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    That's a good point, since this is technically wartime, can his trial (is it a Court Martial by the way?) be restricted to certain parties or is it still required to be a Public Trial?
    It has nothing to do with it being wartime.

    Normally, military trials are not open to the public, unless the public has a direct interest in the case.

    In his case it's all military and no public interest, so I beliieve it may very well be closed to the public unless they give some courtesy considering he was a member of the Muslim community. Though, I do not believe he represents any real Muslim community in American society. Muslims in America are fairly well assimilated and they enjoy their lives here. I feel for them when a guy goes off like that.

    Anyway.

    If you are in the military, and are caught commiting a crime against the military, you will be tried in a military court of law. Yes, he will be court martialed; but I am not sure if that term is still in used by the military.

    Now if a person is in the military, and they commit a crime against a community, they most likely will be tried within that community, if the community wants him, and most times tried again in a military court of law if the military deems it necessary.

    Either way the miliitary will not let them get off easy.

    The military has a very tough stance against military personnel who commit crimes.

    Some may squark at the tough sentence he gets in the end, but trust that the military has given just as tough to guys who have done less than him.

    The military doesn't care what color or reliigion you are - if you are in the military and you are caught commiting a crime............ just trust that Leavenworth is no fun for quite a few guys who are of all persuasions.
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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Jones View Post
    LOL - it's funny when the shoe is on the other foot - I remember when the liberals were ranting about Bush absorbing the moment when he was informed of 9/11 during a reading to school kids.

    Bush didn't want to fly off and scare the kids, and news like that can momentarily stun a good man.

    He did what was needed within minutes later.

    NOBAMA has dithered since April with Gen. McChrystal's request, and we will never hear the truth told about the Fort Hood matter from him.

    Fortunately for us, we have a brain of our own, and we know the truth of matters.

    My only sad is the law didn't allow us to vote Bush in for another term.

    Romney in 2012 is what this world needs.
    Feel free to do a search and find where I have said anything l have aid anything like that. In point of fact, you will find that not only do I say that not only was 9/11 not Bush's fault, but that he handled it well. Don't go and make up crap to try and make your mindless anti rants seem of value. They are not, and once again, you take your post in a direction totally unrelated to the topic at hand. You don't like Obama, and you let it blind you.

    The far right like to claim that any one who dares support Obama has "drank the koolaid", but the truth is, you and those like you who will use any excuse to mindlessly rant are much more the koolaid drinkers than those of us who sit back and actually think about things and judge each thing individually.
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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Isn't the 2001 War in Afghanistan still technically ongoing or did we not declare war there? I know it's more of an informal conflict...But I can't find any solid looking sources...would the Dept of the State have that info?
    War has not been declared by Congress. It kinda is a nit picky thing but here is more info:

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war_by_the_United_States]Declaration of war by the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Feel free to do a search and find where I have said anything l have aid anything like that. In point of fact, you will find that not only do I say that not only was 9/11 not Bush's fault, but that he handled it well. Don't go and make up crap to try and make your mindless anti rants seem of value. They are not, and once again, you take your post in a direction totally unrelated to the topic at hand. You don't like Obama, and you let it blind you.

    The far right like to claim that any one who dares support Obama has "drank the koolaid", but the truth is, you and those like you who will use any excuse to mindlessly rant are much more the koolaid drinkers than those of us who sit back and actually think about things and judge each thing individually.
    OK, I will chalk it up to my bad - and I agree - Bush handled it very well - he's the man - I only wish we could have voted him in for another four.

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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Feel free to do a search and find where I have said anything l have aid anything like that. In point of fact, you will find that not only do I say that not only was 9/11 not Bush's fault, but that he handled it well. Don't go and make up crap to try and make your mindless anti rants seem of value. They are not, and once again, you take your post in a direction totally unrelated to the topic at hand. You don't like Obama, and you let it blind you.

    The far right like to claim that any one who dares support Obama has "drank the koolaid", but the truth is, you and those like you who will use any excuse to mindlessly rant are much more the koolaid drinkers than those of us who sit back and actually think about things and judge each thing individually.
    This guy was his own little terrorist group, and you don't want to face it. The guy even had business cards. Keep your head in the sand.
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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    War has not been declared by Congress. It kinda is a nit picky thing
    It's not nit picky at all, it's called the War Powers Act and it's engaged right now in both Afghanistan and Iraq. There are three ways in which this nation can enter military conflict, I would highly suggest we all make the effort to learn all three.

    The constitutional powers of the President as Commander-in-Chief to introduce United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, are exercised only pursuant to (1) a declaration of war, (2) specific statutory authorization, or (3) a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces.
    Nothing nit picky whatsoever about it, in fact, it's quite clear.
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