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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Well there is the neo nazi movement and as far as I know the do claim Christinaity
    They're not a religious movement, but I group them together with Islam.
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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    They're not a religious movement, but I group them together with Islam.
    So you think Islam, on the whole, is more comparable to Neo-Nazi's than to say...Christians?

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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    So the new tactic for dealing with enemies is to pretend they dont exist.I got a feeling that might not work
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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    In this century? No, in the past, yes.

    So was it Christianity that caused it in the past, or was it the PEOPLE that USED Christianity in the past that caused it.

    And if you say it was the PEOPLE then, then how can you say its 100% different when it comes to muslims, and say that its completely the religions fault and not the peoples fault that's causing it?
    Yeah, it was Chistians that caused it and they did it in the name of Christianity, the same way that Muslims do those things in the name of Islam today. However, Christians have outgrown all that crap in the past few hundred years.

    Would you be making all these excusese for Klansmen, or Nazis? Probably not, huh?
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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So you think Islam, on the whole, is more comparable to Neo-Nazi's than to say...Christians?
    Most definitely! Their body counts are comparable.
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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yeah, it was Chistians that caused it and they did it in the name of Christianity, the same way that Muslims do those things in the name of Islam today. However, Christians have outgrown all that crap in the past few hundred years.

    Would you be making all these excusese for Klansmen, or Nazis? Probably not, huh?
    Aheeem the klan claims they are a Christian org. Why don't ya stop by Stormfront and ask the posters there about their religious beliefs.

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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yeah, it was Chistians that caused it and they did it in the name of Christianity, the same way that Muslims do those things in the name of Islam today. However, Christians have outgrown all that crap in the past few hundred years.
    Right, but was CHRISTIANITY that was at fault? Was Christianity inherently evil then but magically not inherently evil now? Or was it that the PEOPLE were wrong?

    I mean, if you're saying that it was the people, not the religion they used, ages ago and its the people now, not the religion they simply use, now then no biggy, I agree.

    But it seems people are trying to say that it is islam itself that is the problem. Not the people that take it to extremes, not the people that commit attrocities in its name, but the religion itself. If that is the case, then all the evil that was done by people in the name of Christianity, all the things done when the words of that religion were taken to the extreme, would mean that Christianity is also evil. Unless you want to tell me that the Christianity people practice today is somehow a different religion than that which was practiced centuries ago.

    Did the religion change, or did the people who manipulated the religion to do evil things get tossed out?

    Would you be making all these excusese for Klansmen, or Nazis? Probably not, huh?
    No, the very basic premise of the klans and the current neo-nazi ideology is singularly racist and wrong. The vast majority, not a small minority, of klansman and neo-nazi's are racist bigots who sincerely and fully believe that those who are not white are beneath and below them and must be subjigated.

    On the contrary

    The majority of Muslims do not have the feeling that those that aren't part of their faith must be killed or forced to submit. A very vocal and visible minority are doing the bombings and the killings, that are calling for open violent jihad against people.

    There are good things you can take out of the Muslim ideology, many of the same things that you can take out of the Christian and Jewish ideologies.

    There's very little you can take out of the ideology of the Klan and Neo-Nazi's that is actually positive in any large way. Even their notion of supporting their brotherhood is steeped in the cloak of racism.

    The reason people wouldn't be saying "hey, don't do that" with the Klan and Neo-Nazi's is becasue the extreme negative view isn't the minority, its the majority in those groups. That's not the case in Islam.

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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Aheeem the klan claims they are a Christian org. Why don't ya stop by Stormfront and ask the posters there about their religious beliefs.
    If a Neo-Nazi, or a klansman had done this, would you be making the same excuses for them, like you're doing for hasan? You would claim that it had nothing to do with it?
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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Most definitely! Their body counts are comparable.
    In terms of body count Islam and Christianity are FAR closer to each other than either of them are to the Neo-Nazi movement.

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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    In terms of body count Islam and Christianity are FAR closer to each other than either of them are to the Neo-Nazi movement.
    In the respect that the Nazis are well ahead of both of them, you're correct.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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