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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Since people are claiming things again....

    Who, besides Willrockwell who...surprise surprise...has vanished since I asked him to clarifiy his position, in this thread or elsewhere on the forum stated that religion had nothing to do with this?

    Some people have said they will hold judgement on saying definitively what caused it till all information is in.

    Some people have said they think religion played a part, but not the only part.

    But I can't think of anyone that has said "His religion played no part in this" outside of Willrockwell which...i mean...come on....its willrockwell.

    Also, its obvious this is what Obama and everyone else needs.......

    Your problem was you excuse Obama jumping to conclusions then chastise anyone else who uses the data we have right now to support this was about Islam.

    Here is the part where you ignore the fact he brought up only one possible cause, ignore that and only focus on his second sentence that he wanted to "wait" before drawing any conclusions.

    I wonder if this guy had used a suicide vest instead of a gun would you be equally as gullible in proclaiming it wasn't about Islam?
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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Your problem was you excuse Obama jumping to conclusions then chastise anyone else who uses the data we have right now to support this was about Islam.
    Again, you have not shown Obama to have jumped to any conclusion.
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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Jumping to conclusions and blaming "Islam" is a cornerstone of right wing American politics it seems.
    We may be jumping to conclusions but Islam is really making it a smaller and smaller jump off point with each passing act.

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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    when will Obama think of the murdered troops and not excusing this Islamic Fundamentalist?
    Why would you think that demonizing a religious group would somehow be what the murdered troops would want? Certainly if I were murdered by some nut the most horrible possible outcome I can imagine of that would be for it to be twisted into a reason to stir up more religious hatred. I presume that at least some of these troops enlisted under the belief that they are going to the middle east on a mission to help the region, so they would presumably share my disgust for the way their deaths are being used to build up the hatred they were ready to give their lives to quell.

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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Again, you have not shown Obama to have jumped to any conclusion.
    Did you read the OP? It's right there for you.
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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Again, you have not shown Obama to have jumped to any conclusion.
    Again I have and you don't want to admit it.
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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Why would you think that demonizing a religious group would somehow be what the murdered troops would want? Certainly if I were murdered by some nut the most horrible possible outcome I can imagine of that would be for it to be twisted into a reason to stir up more religious hatred. I presume that at least some of these troops enlisted under the belief that they are going to the middle east on a mission to help the region, so they would presumably share my disgust for the way their deaths are being used to build up the hatred they were ready to give their lives to quell.
    So its demonizing now to say he committed this act of terrorism based on Islam?

    Should we just lie and say he was crazy?

    Isn't that how he slipped through all this time?
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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Your problem was you excuse Obama jumping to conclusions then chastise anyone else who uses the data we have right now to support this was about Islam.

    Here is the part where you ignore the fact he brought up only one possible cause, ignore that and only focus on his second sentence that he wanted to "wait" before drawing any conclusions.

    I wonder if this guy had used a suicide vest instead of a gun would you be equally as gullible in proclaiming it wasn't about Islam?
    Reading Comprehension Fail.

    Where to begin.

    No, actually, I DON'T chastise though that want to take the evidence CURRENTLY available and say that its likely his religion had a factor in this.

    I do chastise those that say at this point it was ONLY due to his religion, which is ignorant to say before all facts have came in. I also chastised people who started making accusations the moment this happened that implied "Oh, it is obviously muslim terrorism" because its ignorant to do that as if its factual before it happens (I equally chastised those that immedietely tried to imply "Oh, it is obviously chrsitian teabaggers" when the census worker was hung".

    Also, show me where I've ever proclaimed his religion had nothing to do this. Search my posts before you make direct accusations. I've never said such. On the contrary, I specifically have stated I fully believe his religion played into it.

    And no, it doesn't appear that Obama is jumping to conclusions. His second sentence is the important one, that he's not going to state why or how this happened until all the facts are out. And that's correct, because he's the POTUS not an average citizen, and its important that our chief executive exemplifies the fact that in investigations you don't start making assumptions or difinitive statements without all the facts.

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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    So its demonizing now to say he committed this act of terrorism based on Islam?

    Should we just lie and say he was crazy?

    Isn't that how he slipped through all this time?
    So you're a 100% positive it couldn't be that he had some kind of mental condition or issue that along with being close to being deployed, combined with his extreme religious views, caused this and that it was simply and souley based on his following of Islam?

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    Re: Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    So its demonizing now to say he committed this act of terrorism based on Islam?

    Should we just lie and say he was crazy?

    Isn't that how he slipped through all this time?
    What do you mean? He is crazy. He wasn't associated with any terrorist organization that we know of. Sounds like he tried to contact Al Qaeda, but no indication that they ever contacted him back or anything. Just because somebody goes nuts and yells stuff about Islam while they're killing people doesn't make them a terrorist... A terrorist has to be acting as part of a non-state organization and they have to be attacking non-military targets. This is just a case of an individual nut attacking a military target.

    Whether you try to pin what he did on Muslims generally or not has no impact on whether people like him will continue to slip through. The army should absolutely work to find anybody as unstable as he is. Calling him a terrorist just confuses things and sends them on a wild goose chase of looking for connections to terrorist cells. Why would they need to do that in order to crack down on individuals that might go postal?
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