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George W. Bush Secretly Visits Fort Hood Victims

danarhea said:
Come on. He isn't president any more. He has no photo ops to conduct. What he did here was an honest act.

Kudos to Bush.
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I wasn't talking about him....the comment was made in regards to the people that immediately jumped on here with their bells and whistles and photo-ops.
 
Arch Enemy said:
I wasn't. I have nothing against Bush that would led me to unnecessarily targeting him.
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Yes you were. Your statement was a response which you quoted as saying

It would be hard to argue that GWB was -not- a Human while he was President.

So you absolutely were referring to Bush. The entire conversation was focused around your pot shot that he isn't human.
 
texmaster said:
Yes you were. Your statement was a response which you quoted as saying

It would be hard to argue that GWB was -not- a Human while he was President.

So you absolutely were referring to Bush. The entire conversation was focused around your pot shot that he isn't human.
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No. This was my first statement

Great thing about being an Ex-President is that you are allowed to be Human again.
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Dr_Patrick said:
And there weren't people who still supported Bush regardless of what he did and how low his approval numbers were? Yeah, just Liberals do this...gotcha. :2wave:
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Sure there were. Sometimes it does take a hindsight retrospect to see what you couldn't in the heat of the moment, but the current path is too important to just wait and see.


You alluded to it by saying that I posted the approval ratings to prove some twisted Liberal point did you not? Have your doubts all you want. I could really care less what you think. I just find it humorous that you assume.
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I read it as the oft used liberal talking point of "Just give him a chance" meaning to not criticize until its too late. Maybe I was wrong...If so I am sorry.


Again, your point?
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Trying to figure out yours.


Liberals are just as guilty of it as Conservatives are. Both sides are full of ****.
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On this point, we can agree.


So that justifies you doing it?
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Sometimes to take care of a bully, you have to issue a dose of his own medicine.


j-mac
 
reefedjib said:
I was commenting on your statements bolded above. Regardless of how Iraq and Afghanistan turn out, no one can come within a parsec of our ability to wage war anywhere on the planet. No one has a Navy or Army or Air Force to come close. The only way someone can effectively counter our strengths is irregular warefare on their home turf and we have gotten very good at COIN.

The fact is we beat the insurgency and the terrorists in Iraq. In 6 years! Nobody has ever been that successful against a terrorist organization. Not Algeria, not Vietnam. Iraq just passed an election law enabling Parliamentary elections to take place in January. They passed the open list provision, so Iran has limited influence over the election results. We have done quite well. Thanks to GWB.
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"Thanks to GWB?"

First of all, Iraq can't be used as a measure of success simply because all of our investments into it came at the expense of our war against the Taliban and Al Queda, who were the only people we needed to requite in order to preserve our reputation as a superpower. Iraq could be the most glowing success of nation-building in the world, but it still wouldn't matter because every dollar that went into its infrastructure and security came by neglecting to show the same level of interest in Afghanistan. In short, Afghanistan went to crap for seven years because we were playing ball somewhere else.

Second of all, it isn't even apparent that Iraq's new republic will survive yet -- indeed, I am inclining toward 'no'. We never decisively destroyed the terrorists, as you said -- our strategy depended on waiting for them to dissolve after the infrastructure was back and running and their young Iraqi recruits tired of playing bandits in the hills. That's still going on, just with the Iraqi Army as our substitute, and I am very skeptical the country's industry will get up and going fast enough to outpace the fanaticism instilled into the younger generations by being occupied by a foreign power and having their economy annihilated. We didn't leave because we crushed the enemy, but rather because the Iraqi-government we ourselves installed began demanding we leave because our presence was dividing a weak national consciousness they needed to survive as a government. Their assumption was their own strength would be sufficient to combat the terrorists [numbers isn't really the key in a war against terrorists, so even the Iraqi army can operate at about the same degree of success as the United States provided it has the right strategy and enough information], but that doesn't seem to be the case because their bureaucracy and security is highly corrupt.

Like I said, you need to study this subject, and I will not take this thread off topic. I would be happy to discuss this elsewhere, though.....
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Keep saying it. I don't have to justify myself to someone who doesn't argue what he says.
 
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j-mac said:
I read it as the oft used liberal talking point of "Just give him a chance" meaning to not criticize until its too late. Maybe I was wrong...If so I am sorry.
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Well, I'm not going to say that his entire Presidency is doomed. He could turn things around. It's highly unlikely, but who knows?

Sometimes to take care of a bully, you have to issue a dose of his own medicine.
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And what bully would that be? Liberals in general? Did you do this specifically to the people who did it to you? Or did you do it to me who has no clue who you are and who has never engaged you in discussion.
 
Morality Games said:
"Thanks to GWB?"

First of all, Iraq can't be used as a measure of success simply because all of our investments into it came at the expense of our war against the Taliban and Al Queda, who were the only people we needed to requite in order to preserve our reputation as a superpower. Iraq could be the most glowing success of nation-building in the world, but it still wouldn't matter because every dollar that went into its infrastructure and security came by neglecting to show the same level of interest in Afghanistan.

Second of all, it isn't even apparent that Iraq's new republic will survive yet -- indeed, I am inclining toward 'no'. We never decisively destroyed the terrorists, as you said -- our strategy depended on waiting for them to dissolve after the infrastructure was back and running and their young Iraqi recruits tired of playing bandits in the hills. That's still going on, just with the Iraqi Army as our substitute, and I am very skeptical the country's industry will get up and going fast enough to outpace the fanaticism instilled into the younger generations by being occupied by a foreign power and having their economy annihilated.



Keep saying it. I don't have to justify myself to someone who doesn't argue what he says.
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O.k.....since you insist, how does a country that is 1.4 trillion in debt, pay these interest rates?
 
Jackboot said:
O.k.....since you insist, how does a country that is 1.4 trillion in debt, pay these interest rates?
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It's part of our yearly budget. People who are due a payment receive the payment per the schedule. If they weren't sure to receive interest payments, they wouldn't invest; most of our debt is still bought out of free will and a desire to profit, not just because of economic treaties with China that make it compulsory.
 
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Morality Games said:
It's part of our yearly budget. People who are due a payment receive the payment per the schedule.
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With what, we are broke?

How do we pay these people, when we cannot even pay ourselves?
 
Jackboot said:
With what, we are broke?

How do we pay these people, when we cannot even pay ourselves?
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That's not how debt works. Interest payments are set and you can't just demand money any time you want from your debtor. The United States government still generates enough capital (from taxes and other things) to pay interest when the collectors come calling. It's all set on a calendar, so we can collect whatever amount of money that is due on a yearly basis when determining our budget and set it aside. Our problem isn't paying interest fees when they are due; it is getting rid of the debt which requires we pay those fees at all.
 
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Morality Games said:
That's not how debt works. Interest payments are set and you can't just demand money any time you want from your debtor. The United States government still generates enough capital (from taxes and other things) to pay interest when the collectors come calling. It's all set on a calendar, so we can collect whatever amount of money that is due on a yearly basis when determining our budget and set it aside. Our problem isn't paying interest fees when they are due; it is getting rid of the debt which requires we pay those fees at all.
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Please, read more on this, you obviously are not well informed.

The chinese could present their t-bills at any time, and demand payment, in full!
 
Morality Games said:
"Thanks to GWB?"
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Indeed.

Morality Games said:
First of all, Iraq can't be used as a measure of success simply because all of our investments into it came at the expense of our war against the Taliban and Al Queda, who were the only people we needed to requite in order to preserve our reputation as a superpower. Iraq could be the most glowing success of nation-building in the world, but it still wouldn't matter because every dollar that went into its infrastructure and security came by neglecting to show the same level of interest in Afghanistan. In short, Afghanistan went to crap for seven years because we were playing ball somewhere else.
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Nonsense. We had a certain level of involvement in Afghanistan. If we had not gone into Iraq, does not mean we would have changed our level of involvement in Afghanistan.

Success in Afghanistan is not the only thing that will preserve our reputation.

Al Qaeda and the Taliban are in safe havens in Pakistan. No amount of troops would be able to get at them unless we invade Pakistan.

Morality Games said:
Second of all, it isn't even apparent that Iraq's new republic will survive yet -- indeed, I am inclining toward 'no'. We never decisively destroyed the terrorists, as you said -- our strategy depended on waiting for them to dissolve after the infrastructure was back and running and their young Iraqi recruits tired of playing bandits in the hills. That's still going on, just with the Iraqi Army as our substitute, and I am very skeptical the country's industry will get up and going fast enough to outpace the fanaticism instilled into the younger generations by being occupied by a foreign power and having their economy annihilated. We didn't leave because we crushed the enemy, but rather because the Iraqi-government we ourselves installed began demanding we leave because our presence was dividing a weak national consciousness they needed to survive as a government. Their assumption was their own strength would be sufficient to combat the terrorists [numbers isn't really the key in a war against terrorists, so even the Iraqi army can operate at about the same degree of success as the United States provided it has the right strategy and enough information], but that doesn't seem to be the case because their bureaucracy and security is highly corrupt.
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Ok, I agree with you, we didn't decisively destroy the terrorists. I don't think it is possible since it is such a dispersed enemy. There are still terrorists out there operating, but at a much reduced level. We stopped a civil war and stopped a terrorist offensive operation. In COIN, this breathing space is enough to establish security and governence, which we have. This is success in the COIN playbook. It may still collapse, which is why we need to stay involved.

The Iraqi army has some good units in it - counterinsurgency and intelligence - they are capable of chasing terrorists.

It was good we disengaged from the cities when we did. The Iraqis were ready and have handled it well.

The Iraqis have serious challenges ahead - corruption, sectarianism, Iran.
 
Jackboot said:
Please, read more on this, you obviously are not well informed.

The chinese could present their t-bills at any time, and demand payment, in full!
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No, they couldn't. China remains at our absolute mercy economically and otherwise. If our economy crashes, the world crashes harder.

And remember, in the end, we are still the greatest military might on the planet. That trumps all else.
 
Erod said:
No, they couldn't. China remains at our absolute mercy economically and otherwise. If our economy crashes, the world crashes harder.

And remember, in the end, we are still the greatest military might on the planet. That trumps all else.
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This is what the soviets thought..........
 
Councilman said:
George W. Bush Secretly Visits Fort Hood Victims - FOXNews.com

They went out of concern and in respect of our Military without the fanfare and cameras like you can count on Obama to take full advantage of in his constant and continuous self aggrandizement. Obama will do everything he can to make it all about himself as he has everything else he's been involved in.
I doubt seriously that you will ever hear Obama admit the Hasan was acting as an Islamic terrorist. And would never sign a death warrant that will be required when he is found guilty of murder. Obama will no doubt site some BS how this poor misunderstood Hasan was confused and was picked on. BOO HOO big deal.
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And yet Bush never went to a single service funeral while he was president. Where was his concern and respect when he was in office?
 
Jackboot said:
Please, read more on this, you obviously are not well informed.

The chinese could present their t-bills at any time, and demand payment, in full!
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Proof of this, and also of the rest of our debt since China is ultimately a minority creditor.
 
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Councilman said:
George W. Bush Secretly Visits Fort Hood Victims - FOXNews.com

They went out of concern and in respect of our Military without the fanfare and cameras like you can count on Obama to take full advantage of in his constant and continuous self aggrandizement. Obama will do everything he can to make it all about himself as he has everything else he's been involved in.
I doubt seriously that you will ever hear Obama admit the Hasan was acting as an Islamic terrorist. And would never sign a death warrant that will be required when he is found guilty of murder. Obama will no doubt site some BS how this poor misunderstood Hasan was confused and was picked on. BOO HOO big deal.
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Why does everyone have to make good deeds like this partisan?
 
UtahBill said:
Your point is made, NP, you hate Obama and won't miss an opportunity to compare him to anyone whose actions might make him look bad...
Enough, already....get another hobby...
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I hate no one........I just think that Obama is one of the worse president this country has ever had...............
 
Navy Pride said:
I hate no one........I just think that Obama is one of the worse president this country has ever had...............
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Then again....you think that GWB is a "Great and Inspired World Leader"....so that should tell everyone about the "reality" that you live in. :doh
 
Jackboot said:
Please, read more on this, you obviously are not well informed.

The chinese could present their t-bills at any time, and demand payment, in full!
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And, if we dont pay up, then what? They're going to repossess the United States?
 
WillRockwell said:
And yet Bush never went to a single service funeral while he was president. Where was his concern and respect when he was in office?
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He has met with many hundreds of slain soldiers families in private.

He did not want to honor just one without honoring them all.


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"In my judgment, I think if I go to one I should go to all. How do you honor one person but not another?” he said."


Just to help you out there.
No one can cure BDS but you can treat some of the symptoms.
 
apdst said:



And, if we dont pay up, then what? They're going to repossess the United States?
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No, we just lose all credibility, and are no longer a safe lending partner.
 
apdst said:



And, if we dont pay up, then what? They're going to repossess the United States?
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You really think if we don't pay nothing will happen? We will lose all creditbility and China could the embargo us which would just be the start.
 
pro-bipartisan said:
You really think if we don't pay nothing will happen? We will lose all creditbility and China could the embargo us which would just be the start.
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Let's see. China will embargo us? Can't see that happening, either.

I guess that's why the Chicoms aren't stupid enough to call in their note.
 
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