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    Re: George W. Bush Secretly Visits Fort Hood Victims

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    That's not how debt works. Interest payments are set and you can't just demand money any time you want from your debtor. The United States government still generates enough capital (from taxes and other things) to pay interest when the collectors come calling. It's all set on a calendar, so we can collect whatever amount of money that is due on a yearly basis when determining our budget and set it aside. Our problem isn't paying interest fees when they are due; it is getting rid of the debt which requires we pay those fees at all.
    Please, read more on this, you obviously are not well informed.

    The chinese could present their t-bills at any time, and demand payment, in full!

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    Re: George W. Bush Secretly Visits Fort Hood Victims

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    "Thanks to GWB?"
    Indeed.

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    First of all, Iraq can't be used as a measure of success simply because all of our investments into it came at the expense of our war against the Taliban and Al Queda, who were the only people we needed to requite in order to preserve our reputation as a superpower. Iraq could be the most glowing success of nation-building in the world, but it still wouldn't matter because every dollar that went into its infrastructure and security came by neglecting to show the same level of interest in Afghanistan. In short, Afghanistan went to crap for seven years because we were playing ball somewhere else.
    Nonsense. We had a certain level of involvement in Afghanistan. If we had not gone into Iraq, does not mean we would have changed our level of involvement in Afghanistan.

    Success in Afghanistan is not the only thing that will preserve our reputation.

    Al Qaeda and the Taliban are in safe havens in Pakistan. No amount of troops would be able to get at them unless we invade Pakistan.

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    Second of all, it isn't even apparent that Iraq's new republic will survive yet -- indeed, I am inclining toward 'no'. We never decisively destroyed the terrorists, as you said -- our strategy depended on waiting for them to dissolve after the infrastructure was back and running and their young Iraqi recruits tired of playing bandits in the hills. That's still going on, just with the Iraqi Army as our substitute, and I am very skeptical the country's industry will get up and going fast enough to outpace the fanaticism instilled into the younger generations by being occupied by a foreign power and having their economy annihilated. We didn't leave because we crushed the enemy, but rather because the Iraqi-government we ourselves installed began demanding we leave because our presence was dividing a weak national consciousness they needed to survive as a government. Their assumption was their own strength would be sufficient to combat the terrorists [numbers isn't really the key in a war against terrorists, so even the Iraqi army can operate at about the same degree of success as the United States provided it has the right strategy and enough information], but that doesn't seem to be the case because their bureaucracy and security is highly corrupt.
    Ok, I agree with you, we didn't decisively destroy the terrorists. I don't think it is possible since it is such a dispersed enemy. There are still terrorists out there operating, but at a much reduced level. We stopped a civil war and stopped a terrorist offensive operation. In COIN, this breathing space is enough to establish security and governence, which we have. This is success in the COIN playbook. It may still collapse, which is why we need to stay involved.

    The Iraqi army has some good units in it - counterinsurgency and intelligence - they are capable of chasing terrorists.

    It was good we disengaged from the cities when we did. The Iraqis were ready and have handled it well.

    The Iraqis have serious challenges ahead - corruption, sectarianism, Iran.

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    Re: George W. Bush Secretly Visits Fort Hood Victims

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackboot View Post
    Please, read more on this, you obviously are not well informed.

    The chinese could present their t-bills at any time, and demand payment, in full!
    No, they couldn't. China remains at our absolute mercy economically and otherwise. If our economy crashes, the world crashes harder.

    And remember, in the end, we are still the greatest military might on the planet. That trumps all else.

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    Re: George W. Bush Secretly Visits Fort Hood Victims

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    No, they couldn't. China remains at our absolute mercy economically and otherwise. If our economy crashes, the world crashes harder.

    And remember, in the end, we are still the greatest military might on the planet. That trumps all else.
    This is what the soviets thought..........

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    Re: George W. Bush Secretly Visits Fort Hood Victims

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    George W. Bush Secretly Visits Fort Hood Victims - FOXNews.com

    They went out of concern and in respect of our Military without the fanfare and cameras like you can count on Obama to take full advantage of in his constant and continuous self aggrandizement. Obama will do everything he can to make it all about himself as he has everything else he's been involved in.
    I doubt seriously that you will ever hear Obama admit the Hasan was acting as an Islamic terrorist. And would never sign a death warrant that will be required when he is found guilty of murder. Obama will no doubt site some BS how this poor misunderstood Hasan was confused and was picked on. BOO HOO big deal.
    And yet Bush never went to a single service funeral while he was president. Where was his concern and respect when he was in office?

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    Re: George W. Bush Secretly Visits Fort Hood Victims

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackboot View Post
    Please, read more on this, you obviously are not well informed.

    The chinese could present their t-bills at any time, and demand payment, in full!
    Proof of this, and also of the rest of our debt since China is ultimately a minority creditor.
    Last edited by Morality Games; 11-10-09 at 07:06 PM.
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    Re: George W. Bush Secretly Visits Fort Hood Victims

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    George W. Bush Secretly Visits Fort Hood Victims - FOXNews.com

    They went out of concern and in respect of our Military without the fanfare and cameras like you can count on Obama to take full advantage of in his constant and continuous self aggrandizement. Obama will do everything he can to make it all about himself as he has everything else he's been involved in.
    I doubt seriously that you will ever hear Obama admit the Hasan was acting as an Islamic terrorist. And would never sign a death warrant that will be required when he is found guilty of murder. Obama will no doubt site some BS how this poor misunderstood Hasan was confused and was picked on. BOO HOO big deal.
    Why does everyone have to make good deeds like this partisan?

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    Re: George W. Bush Secretly Visits Fort Hood Victims

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    Your point is made, NP, you hate Obama and won't miss an opportunity to compare him to anyone whose actions might make him look bad...
    Enough, already....get another hobby...
    I hate no one........I just think that Obama is one of the worse president this country has ever had...............
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    Re: George W. Bush Secretly Visits Fort Hood Victims

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I hate no one........I just think that Obama is one of the worse president this country has ever had...............
    Then again....you think that GWB is a "Great and Inspired World Leader"....so that should tell everyone about the "reality" that you live in.
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    Re: George W. Bush Secretly Visits Fort Hood Victims

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackboot View Post
    Please, read more on this, you obviously are not well informed.

    The chinese could present their t-bills at any time, and demand payment, in full!

    And, if we dont pay up, then what? They're going to repossess the United States?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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