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    Re: George W. Bush Secretly Visits Fort Hood Victims

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I think history will judge Bush as a very good president.........Much better then Clinton or Hussein Obama...........
    I think the history books are still open on Bush, but it does have the potential to actually look favorably on him.

    The one thing that the history books will not overlook is his tendency to be rash. Some think that's a good trait, others don't.

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    So Churchill wasn't human I guess. Or Roosevelt or Truman.

    Hell, or Washington or Lincoln for that matter.


    Your analogy is so full of holes it boggles the mind.
    What I am talking about is the human concept of responsibility. Hell, Nixon is without a doubt guilty for WaterGate yet he walked free.

    My point is that Presidents in the United States are above every man-made law. The only real danger a President faces is that of not getting re-elected-- Big woop, they get to retire and still make more dough than the average soldier will in his/her life-time.
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    Re: George W. Bush Secretly Visits Fort Hood Victims

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Really though, the Iraq War has been a disaster for the United States in almost every conceivable way. The worst one being that we're no longer considered a credible threat by any of our enemies; it is going to set the tone for how we are received by foreign powers for decades.

    The United States is like a declining mob family. "You don't have that kind of muscle anymore," is about the only thing anybody has to say to us.
    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    You'll have to explain yourself a bit more. I don't really see how your enthusiasm compares well with our track record in Afghanistan/Iraq.
    I was commenting on your statements bolded above. Regardless of how Iraq and Afghanistan turn out, no one can come within a parsec of our ability to wage war anywhere on the planet. No one has a Navy or Army or Air Force to come close. The only way someone can effectively counter our strengths is irregular warefare on their home turf and we have gotten very good at COIN.

    The fact is we beat the insurgency and the terrorists in Iraq. In 6 years! Nobody has ever been that successful against a terrorist organization. Not Algeria, not Vietnam. Iraq just passed an election law enabling Parliamentary elections to take place in January. They passed the open list provision, so Iran has limited influence over the election results. We have done quite well. Thanks to GWB.

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    Re: George W. Bush Secretly Visits Fort Hood Victims

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    You'll have to explain yourself a bit more. I don't really see how your enthusiasm compares well with our track record in Afghanistan/Iraq.



    I'm speaking purely in terms of our centrality in the international political network. Our debt does not hurt us there because the United States still generates a ton of capital; people tend not to worry about crediting a large debtor provided that debtor is still generating enough capital to pay the interest fees; the United States can still pay the yearly interest fees for all our debt, meaning in the long run people crediting us will make more money, probably even if we suddenly said we weren't going to pay back a single penny (provided they credited with us long enough). Most people who credit the United States don't want us to pay back all our debt at once, because then they will make less money over the course of a decade or two; that's how usury works.
    Like I said, you need to study this subject, and I will not take this thread off topic. I would be happy to discuss this elsewhere, though.....

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    Re: George W. Bush Secretly Visits Fort Hood Victims

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    I think the history books are still open on Bush, but it does have the potential to actually look favorably on him.

    The one thing that the history books will not overlook is his tendency to be rash. Some think that's a good trait, others don't.



    What I am talking about is the human concept of responsibility. Hell, Nixon is without a doubt guilty for WaterGate yet he walked free.

    My point is that Presidents in the United States are above every man-made law. The only real danger a President faces is that of not getting re-elected-- Big woop, they get to retire and still make more dough than the average soldier will in his/her life-time.
    Being decisive is often confused for being rash.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: George W. Bush Secretly Visits Fort Hood Victims

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Being decisive is often confused for being rash.
    That's true. But in the case of the Iraqi War being "decisive" or "rash" cost us dearly.
    "I do not underestimate the ability of fanatical groups of terrorists to kill and destroy, but they do not threaten the life of the nation. Whether we would survive Hitler hung in the balance, but there is no doubt that we shall survive al-Qa'ida." -- Lord Hoffmann

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    Re: George W. Bush Secretly Visits Fort Hood Victims

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    And it has, hasn't it? While admittedly many seemed star eyed by the guy during his campaign, the term "messiah" is a bit absurd, wouldn't you say? It's nothing more than partisan hackery. It got old after the first week. Now that the man has been President for nearly a year I think it's beyond old and time to perhaps move on.

    Well, you are entitled to your opinion, but I think he still has a few more years to endure in that regard. Oh, and as long as there are those out there that call into shows like Wash Journal, or other talk shows and defend this mans failing policies no matter how they are killing this country, then yes "Messiah" fits, although I am partial to calling him something on the order of Franklin Delanobama.


    You won't hear disagreements from me here. Obama hasn't exactly been doing a wonderful job thus far. I still fail to see how pointing out low approval ratings automatically means that I'm a Liberal who is trying to prove some twisted point.

    Did I say "you Dr. Patrick are a liberal"? I don't think I did, although being new here I have my doubts. I wouldn't put it past libs to openly tout themselves as one thing on their public profile and believe something else.


    I thought that the nicknames for Bush were lame as well. Your point?

    Want a cookie?


    Please point out where I used a nickname for Bush. Aww, but see...that will point out your flawed logic in trying to group all Liberals together and judge them all as a whole, wouldn't it?


    Classic! Please spend the rest of your day searching the archives for a sentence....Nah, I'll let you stand on your honesty, or lack there of which ever one it is. As far as Generalizing, liberals would never do that eh?


    Shall I point out the names I have been called lumping me into a group just in the short time I have been here?


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    Re: George W. Bush Secretly Visits Fort Hood Victims

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    That's true. But in the case of the Iraqi War being "decisive" or "rash" cost us dearly.
    It cost the enemy even more dearly. We took out 50,000 jihadists in Iraq. Dealt a severe blow to the jihadist community as a whole.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: George W. Bush Secretly Visits Fort Hood Victims

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    I think the history books are still open on Bush, but it does have the potential to actually look favorably on him.

    The one thing that the history books will not overlook is his tendency to be rash. Some think that's a good trait, others don't.



    What I am talking about is the human concept of responsibility. Hell, Nixon is without a doubt guilty for WaterGate yet he walked free.

    My point is that Presidents in the United States are above every man-made law. The only real danger a President faces is that of not getting re-elected-- Big woop, they get to retire and still make more dough than the average soldier will in his/her life-time.
    Then next time don't just target one president if that truly was your point.
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    Re: George W. Bush Secretly Visits Fort Hood Victims

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Then next time don't just target one president if that truly was your point.
    I wasn't. I have nothing against Bush that would led me to unnecessarily targeting him.
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    Re: George W. Bush Secretly Visits Fort Hood Victims

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, you are entitled to your opinion, but I think he still has a few more years to endure in that regard. Oh, and as long as there are those out there that call into shows like Wash Journal, or other talk shows and defend this mans failing policies no matter how they are killing this country, then yes "Messiah" fits, although I am partial to calling him something on the order of Franklin Delanobama.
    And there weren't people who still supported Bush regardless of what he did and how low his approval numbers were? Yeah, just Liberals do this...gotcha.

    Did I say "you Dr. Patrick are a liberal"? I don't think I did, although being new here I have my doubts. I wouldn't put it past libs to openly tout themselves as one thing on their public profile and believe something else.
    You alluded to it by saying that I posted the approval ratings to prove some twisted Liberal point did you not? Have your doubts all you want. I could really care less what you think. I just find it humorous that you assume.

    Want a cookie?
    Again, your point?

    Classic! Please spend the rest of your day searching the archives for a sentence....Nah, I'll let you stand on your honesty, or lack there of which ever one it is. As far as Generalizing, liberals would never do that eh?
    Liberals are just as guilty of it as Conservatives are. Both sides are full of ****.

    Shall I point out the names I have been called lumping me into a group just in the short time I have been here?
    So that justifies you doing it?

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