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    D.C. sniper mastermind set to be executed Tuesday

    The Associated Press: D.C. sniper mastermind set to be executed Tuesday

    RICHMOND, Va. Unless Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine steps in, sniper mastermind John Allen Muhammad will be executed Tuesday for the attacks that terrorized the nation's capital region for three weeks in 2002.

    Muhammad is set to die by injection at Greensville Correctional Center in Jarratt. His attorneys have asked Kaine to commute his sentence to life in prison because they say he is mentally ill. The U.S. Supreme Court turned down Muhammad's final appeal Monday.

    Muhammad was sentenced to death for killing Dean Harold Meyers at a Manassas gas station during a spree that left 10 dead across Maryland, Virginia and Washington, D.C.

    He and his teenage accomplice, Lee Boyd Malvo, also were suspected of fatal shootings in other states, including Louisiana, Alabama and Arizona.

    For the families of those killed, the day is a long time coming.

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    It's upon us now. But I've made my own thoughts about retaliatory "justice" clear enough in that there's a lack of focus on general deterrence issues.

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    Re: D.C. sniper mastermind set to be executed Tuesday

    Good riddance asshole. Burn in hell.

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    Re: D.C. sniper mastermind set to be executed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    The Associated Press: D.C. sniper mastermind set to be executed Tuesday



    It's upon us now. But I've made my own thoughts about retaliatory "justice" clear enough in that there's a lack of focus on general deterrence issues.
    A deterrence would be executing him live on tv preferably right after the crime or putting his body out on display for everyone to see,not executed years later when everyone but the victim's loved ones have forgotten about him. I remember many years in my home town four people were shot execution style in a walk in fridge at a Lee's Famous Chicken,it took 14 years for their murderer to be executed.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: D.C. sniper mastermind set to be executed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Good riddance asshole. Burn in hell.

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    His partner Lee Boyd Malvo should have gotten the death penalty too.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: D.C. sniper mastermind set to be executed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    A deterrence would be executing him live on tv preferably right after the crime or putting his body out on display for everyone to see,not executed years later when everyone but the victim's loved ones have forgotten about him. I remember many years in my home town four people were shot execution style in a walk in fridge at a Lee's Famous Chicken,it took 14 years for their murderer to be executed.
    Pretty sure many studies show no deterrent effect for capital punishment. In fact, it seems to coincide with small increases in violence after the punishment. This could be because it legitimizes the use of lethal force against people who deserve it.

    The problem with staying true to celerity (the least important of the factors in deterrence alongside the most important: certainty and 2nd: severity) in capital punishment is that is increases the risk of executing innocent people. I'm not sure how many innocent deaths at the hands of the goverment are acceptable to you.

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    Re: D.C. sniper mastermind set to be executed Tuesday

    Screw deterrence, it is called justice.

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    Re: D.C. sniper mastermind set to be executed Tuesday

    It's not about a deterrent. It's about removing "broken" genes from our gene pool and saving money keeping broken individuals alive. In this case, a few years and a 40 cent bullet would have saved the tax payers a helluva lot of money.

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    Re: D.C. sniper mastermind set to be executed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by LiveUninhibited View Post
    Pretty sure many studies show no deterrent effect for capital punishment.
    That is probably due to the fact that in most cases by the time someone is executed which is at least a decade later that individual and his crimes are long forgotten by everyone except for the victim's loved ones.

    In fact, it seems to coincide with small increases in violence after the punishment. This could be because it legitimizes the use of lethal force against people who deserve it.

    The problem with staying true to celerity (the least important of the factors in deterrence alongside the most important: certainty and 2nd: severity) in capital punishment is that is increases the risk of executing innocent people. I'm not sure how many innocent deaths at the hands of the goverment are acceptable to you.
    In this country we believe in innocent until proven guilty not innocent even long after he was proven guilty in a court of law. The fact that maybe an innocent person executed once in a blue moon does not negate the need for the death penalty, nor does it negate the need for lengthy prison sentences. I am not willing to want the death penalty or prison removed just because a few innocent(assuming they are actually innocent, not let off due to a technicality or were in no way in any shape of form involved with the victim's death) or people may have gotten though the cracks. The death penalty is handed out as the ultimate punishment for commuting the most heinous of crimes. If anything should be improved it should be reducing the cost to tax payers and a reduction in the number of appeals based on the strength of the evidence used to convict someone so that it doesn't take several years or more to execute someone.
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    Re: D.C. sniper mastermind set to be executed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    That is probably due to the fact that in most cases by the time someone is executed which is at least a decade later that individual and his crimes are long forgotten by everyone except for the victim's loved ones.
    I don't really think that's true, though. Or else this execution wouldn't be news. Executions are always news where they occur, just not necessarily national news.

    In this country we believe in innocent until proven guilty not innocent even long after he was proven guilty in a court of law. The fact that maybe an innocent person executed once in a blue moon does not negate the need for the death penalty, nor does it negate the need for lengthy prison sentences. I am not willing to want the death penalty or prison removed just because a few innocent(assuming they are actually innocent, not let off due to a technicality or were in no way in any shape of form involved with the victim's death) or people may have gotten though the cracks. The death penalty is handed out as the ultimate punishment for commuting the most heinous of crimes. If anything should be improved it should be reducing the cost to tax payers and a reduction in the number of appeals based on the strength of the evidence used to convict someone so that it doesn't take several years or more to execute someone.
    Well it's innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, not beyond any doubt, and we use laymen juries. Juries are highly impressionable and inconsistent, hence appeals. Some will convict on confessions alone, and false confessions are not uncommon.

    I see the death penalty as mostly stooping to their level, and efforts to make it less expensive do increase the risk of killing innocents.

    What I would recommend, and I think you'll agree, is that we force inmates to work their asses off for even basic privileges and to make prisons less expensive for taxpayers.
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    Re: D.C. sniper mastermind set to be executed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    It's not about a deterrent. It's about removing "broken" genes from our gene pool and saving money keeping broken individuals alive. In this case, a few years and a 40 cent bullet would have saved the tax payers a helluva lot of money.
    lol, I don't think it accomplishes that. Idiots still reproduce more, and murder is not a common crime. Besides, in order to remove them from the gene pool you'd have to execute them before they have kids, and many of them already did produce kids.

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