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    Re: D.C. sniper mastermind set to be executed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post


    In this country we believe in innocent until proven guilty not innocent even long after he was proven guilty in a court of law.
    In this country we believe in an appeals process.

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    Re: D.C. sniper mastermind set to be executed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    His partner Lee Boyd Malvo should have gotten the death penalty too.
    I disagree, he tried to turn himself in. He called 911 but they didn't pay him any attention.

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    Re: D.C. sniper mastermind set to be executed Tuesday

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    Do you have proof of this?
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    Thanks, Ethereal.

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    Re: D.C. sniper mastermind set to be executed Tuesday

    In this country we believe in innocent until proven guilty not innocent even long after he was proven guilty in a court of law.
    That's the same thing as saying you don't believe in innocent until proven guilty. The appeals process was instituted specifically to address the multitude of historical injustices which occurred when ignorant or corrupt persons presided exclusively over the accused and determined (short of reprieve from the king) what their material punishment would be. The lengthy appeals process at least involves many more people and encourages more information-gathering, preventing or mitigating many serious miscarriages of justice.

    More generally, based on the extreme rhetoric dispersed through this thread, I think death penalty advocates invest too much in their feelings of indignation. Just because you feel rage doesn't mean it should be indulged to the max. Due process and the prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment exist for very good reasons, fundamental to the survival of our republic (no due process, easy for insiders to manipulate the legal process to unjust, self-serving outcomes, no prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment, no protection for potential innocents, who will exist in abundance in a society without due process).

    To put it in Kantian terms, if you aren't willing to live in a society like this, where often the "justice system" is just a byword for the process by which political dissenters from the established administration are systematically exposed and executed, then you probably should be more moderate with regards to how much you stoke your anger. Furthermore, if you aren't yourself willing to be the recipient of this treatment (that is, if you yourself aren't willing at any time to be falsely convicted of murder in the justice system and accorded the highest punishment), then you aren't being morally consistent. That is, basically, even if you were given the opportunity to escape to a foreign country the night before being executed, you would resist the temptation and go willingly to your appointed death. If you aren't willing to do that, then you aren't being moral in your support of the death penalty.
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    Re: D.C. sniper mastermind set to be executed Tuesday

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRfiL3kyh60"]YouTube- 'D.C. Sniper' To Be Executed[/ame]

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    Re: D.C. sniper mastermind set to be executed Tuesday

    Well, let's see, there are prison murders, prison assaults, prison riots, prison rapes . . ..
    Quod scripsi, scripsi

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    Re: D.C. sniper mastermind set to be executed Tuesday

    He's dead. No last words. No emotion shown.

    Chemicals started at 9:06, pronounced dead at 9:11.

    Good riddance, ahole.
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    Re: D.C. sniper mastermind set to be executed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by StandUpChuck View Post
    He's dead. No last words. No emotion shown.

    Chemicals started at 9:06, pronounced dead at 9:11.

    Good riddance, ahole.
    My sentiments exactly.

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    Re: D.C. sniper mastermind set to be executed Tuesday

    I just filled a mass krug (oktoberfest mug) with bier in celibration of the death of this jihadist pig. If you have any doubts that John Muhammad was a jihadist take a look at this drawing by his accomplice Lee Malvo.

    Here's to the death of a jihadist swine.

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    Re: D.C. sniper mastermind set to be executed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    That's the same thing as saying you don't believe in innocent until proven guilty.
    No its not. He was innocent all the way until the jury found him guilty in a court of law, so he is no longer innocent. That is what innocent until proven guilty means, not "Still innocent even after he was proven guilty".

    Due process and the prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment exist for very good reasons, fundamental to the survival of our republic (no due process, easy for insiders to manipulate the legal process to unjust, self-serving outcomes, no prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment, no protection for potential innocents, who will exist in abundance in a society without due process).
    The death penalty is not cruel and unusual punishment because they still executed right after the 8th amendment was written and they executed people for crimes other than murder.




    To put it in Kantian terms, if you aren't willing to live in a society like this, where often the "justice system" is just a byword for the process by which political dissenters from the established administration are systematically exposed and executed,
    What the **** does this have to do with murderers getting executed?


    Furthermore, if you aren't yourself willing to be the recipient of this treatment (that is, if you yourself aren't willing at any time to be falsely convicted of murder in the justice system and accorded the highest punishment), then you aren't being morally consistent.

    It doesn't matter if I want to be executed or not, many people do not want to go to prison does that mean we should abolish the prison system?
    That is, basically, even if you were given the opportunity to escape to a foreign country the night before being executed, you would resist the temptation and go willingly to your appointed death. If you aren't willing to do that, then you aren't being moral in your support of the death penalty.
    Again what the hell does this have to do with wanting a murderer to be executed? Not a damn thing. So quit babbling nonsensical gibberish thati is not in any shape or form related to supporting the death penalty for convicted murderers.
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