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    Re: D.C. sniper mastermind set to be executed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    The Associated Press: D.C. sniper mastermind set to be executed Tuesday



    It's upon us now. But I've made my own thoughts about retaliatory "justice" clear enough in that there's a lack of focus on general deterrence issues.
    My belief is that when people commit certain crimes (premeditated murder, mass murder, child rape) they are, in a sense telling, the rest of us that they no longer wish to be part of society.

    Their actions show that they have lost some basic human instincts and compassion, without which they are not really part of 'us' anymore. They are not even fit to live among those condemned to life in prison.

    Last year, the supreme court ruled that child rapists can no longer be executed. This was a bad decision IMO.

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    Re: D.C. sniper mastermind set to be executed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by LiveUninhibited View Post
    lol, I don't think it accomplishes that. Idiots still reproduce more, and murder is not a common crime. Besides, in order to remove them from the gene pool you'd have to execute them before they have kids, and many of them already did produce kids.
    But it's comforting to at least think it does this. Did this guy have kids? My hope is he did not.

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    Re: D.C. sniper mastermind set to be executed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackboot View Post
    How often do prisoners kill other prisoners, or their guards, well.....this is a common occurance, actually.
    Do you have any data pertaining to this?

    I suppose you could keep people in their cells, for their entire lives, but then that would be challenged.
    The money we save from abolishing the death penalty could be used to better secure violent offenders.

    I support the death penalty, many of my libertarians friends do not...
    I think the death penalty is morally justifiable; I just don't think it's practical.

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    Re: D.C. sniper mastermind set to be executed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Do you have any data pertaining to this?



    The money we save from abolishing the death penalty could be used to better secure violent offenders.



    I think the death penalty is morally justifiable; I just don't think it's practical.
    You may be surprised to learn this, but I too, think that the cost is too high. I agree with a swift and quick end to a life that has taken a life, but our system is much too costly, unfortunately. Even when the crimes are without challenge, the cost to kill a man or woman is just too costly for the average american tax payer. Perhaps if we were to release the non-violent drug offender, then.......but this will never happen.

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    Re: D.C. sniper mastermind set to be executed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yeah, but when little Billy goes to his room, is he forced to toss the salad?
    If you removed the butt rape, the stabbings and other prison violence then how is it really a punishment? Don't commit murder, rape, steal or you'll live in a nice dormitory that practically has all the same **** in it that law abiding citizens get to enjoy? If these guys turned big rocks into little rocks all day long worked in chain gangs, had no luxeries such as tvs, air conditioning, libraries, computers and many other things then the Oh lets stick them behind bars for the rest of their lives argument might hold up water. You are basically telling the victim's loved ones that they have to support their loved one's murderer for the rest of his natural life. "Sorry Chester the child molester raped and murdered little Suzy, now you all get to support Chester for the rest of his natural life".
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    Re: D.C. sniper mastermind set to be executed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If you removed the butt rape, the stabbings and other prison violence then how is it really a punishment? Don't commit murder, rape, steal or you'll live in a nice dormitory that practically has all the same **** in it that law abiding citizens get to enjoy? If these guys turned big rocks into little rocks all day long worked in chain gangs, had no luxeries such as tvs, air conditioning, libraries, computers and many other things then the Oh lets stick them behind bars for the rest of their lives argument might hold up water. You are basically telling the victim's loved ones that they have to support their loved one's murderer for the rest of his natural life. "Sorry Chester the child molester raped and murdered little Suzy, now you all get to support Chester for the rest of his natural life".
    On some level, a certain level of existence should be expected. Though you are right, you can make it so there's no TV or anything. I think libraries, computers, schooling, etc. is probably ok though.

    In the end, given all the "luxuries" of prison, I'd expect that damned well near all of them would rather be outside than in.
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    Re: D.C. sniper mastermind set to be executed Tuesday

    Turns out I was wrong Mohammad was convicted in State Court and Obama cannot commute his sentence or interfere in any way. So scratch one Islamic convert. Mohammad is most likely praying his ass off hoping he'll get his 72 virgins or what ever it is. I some how doubt it. Can you imagine how long it would take to find 72 virgins?

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    Re: D.C. sniper mastermind set to be executed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackboot
    How often do prisoners kill other prisoners, or their guards, well.....this is a common occurance, actually.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ethreal
    Do you have any data pertaining to this?

    In 2006, 55 prisoners died by homicide.

    Bureau of Justice Statistics - Deaths In Custody Statistical Tables - State Prison Deaths Tables List


    June 30, 2006 there was a total of 2,245,189 inmates, according to the Justice Department’s Bureau of Justice Statistics.

    Bureau of Justice Statistics Press Release: Prison and Jail Inmates at Midyear 2006


    I guess it all depends on your definition of common occurrence...lol...
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    Re: D.C. sniper mastermind set to be executed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    In 2006, 55 prisoners died by homicide.

    Bureau of Justice Statistics - Deaths In Custody Statistical Tables - State Prison Deaths Tables List


    June 30, 2006 there was a total of 2,245,189 inmates, according to the Justice Department’s Bureau of Justice Statistics.

    Bureau of Justice Statistics Press Release: Prison and Jail Inmates at Midyear 2006


    I guess it all depends on your definition of common occurrence...lol...
    Now how many of those 2 million are violent criminals?

    Even in a city of two million, this would be a problem..
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    Re: D.C. sniper mastermind set to be executed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    It's not about a deterrent. It's about removing "broken" genes from our gene pool and saving money keeping broken individuals alive. In this case, a few years and a 40 cent bullet would have saved the tax payers a helluva lot of money.
    The death penalty costs more than a life sentence and I don't support doing away with our lengthy appeals process especially for capital crimes. I for one think forcing this guy to live the rest of his life in a supermax isolation chamber 24 hours a day and 1 hour per week for exercise and showers with no books, no t.v., no outside human contact etc is a far worse (and fitting) punishment than giving this guy an easy out with a quick painless death.

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