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    Re: Thousands cheer 20 years since fall of Berlin Wall

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    I don't look at the tidbits under people's names, just as you haven't looked at the realities of the past.
    Do not accuse me of ignorance before you yourself can provide a reasonable rebuttal that isn't grounded in some pathetic ad hominem.

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    You sound like a typical leftist, ignorant European. Shame the schools in Australia are feeding crap to their citizens, but hell, America isn't any better today.
    Well if you want to get partisan, you sound like a typical rightist hack. How unsurprising, then, that your posts are utterly devoid of any semblance of intelligence or meaning. You have no idea about the education system of Australia, which is regarded as one of the best in the world, although that obviously makes no difference to the single-minded, bigoted claptrap you call 'ideology'.

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    I don't idolize anyone, but appreciate clear, honest, forthright, principled leadership. Reagan had this in bushels.
    Are you kidding? Ever heard of Iran-Contra?

    Wake up to yourself, mate.

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    Re: Thousands cheer 20 years since fall of Berlin Wall

    Quote Originally Posted by Yossarian View Post
    Well if you want to get partisan, you sound like a typical rightist hack. How unsurprising, then, that your posts are utterly devoid of any semblance of intelligence or meaning. You have no idea about the education system of Australia, which is regarded as one of the best in the world, although that obviously makes no difference to the single-minded, bigoted claptrap you call 'ideology'.
    I was a good little socialist at one time Comrade. So I've been on both sides of the fence. The worst thing for chumps like you is to have someone actually converted. I know you and your type. I admit it, I was a leftist moron once. What's your excuse?
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    If my posts are utterly devoid of intelligence... why did you agree with everything except Reagan's role earlier... LOL. Is your memory that short...

    How do you know I know nothing about the Aussie school system. Again, making claims without having the facts. You, a representative product of the Aussie school system; it's hurt'in. Seems the teachers are hav'in a fair dink'um oliday mate.

    Good on'ya mate.

    Back to your theory that there is no cause and effect.

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    The Clintons are what happens...
    when you have NO MORAL COMPASS.

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    Re: Thousands cheer 20 years since fall of Berlin Wall

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    I was a good little socialist at one time Comrade.
    That makes me cringe more than anything else you've written.

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    Re: Thousands cheer 20 years since fall of Berlin Wall

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    He's not European, though I'm starting to wish that the U.S. had lost the Revolutionary War after reading your posts. Aren't you going to at least pretend that you have a rebuttal on hand?
    How do you know I'm not?
    People assume I'm an American and that's OK with me.

    I grew up in Europe, have spent the better part of my adult life there, as well as Kanuckistan.

    Though the US is "home", I just don't get to see her too often.

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    Re: Thousands cheer 20 years since fall of Berlin Wall

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    If my posts are utterly devoid of intelligence... why did you agree with everything except Reagan's role earlier... LOL. Is your memory that short...
    There is a difference between spouting dull and trite factual information on one hand, and displaying the cognitive capacity to engage with them, which is what you have totally failed to do.

    Nevertheless, I will respond to these blatant threadjacks no longer.
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    Re: Thousands cheer 20 years since fall of Berlin Wall

    Quote Originally Posted by Yossarian View Post
    Reagan's economic policy had zero effect on the Wall coming down. I was born in 1992, 3 years after reunification, but that doesn't mean I'm somehow not qualified to make a judgement on this. I've studied enough history to know that the Wall's collapse was not economically motivated. The credit rests with Gorbachev for encouraging a more self-determining outlook in the east as well as the Wall's border guards for refusing to fire on ordinary civilians, against the orders of GDR commanders iirc.
    The year of your birth is a clue to your error in your interpretation of what I wrote and it's meaning.
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    Is that as Gorbachev was hailed for his role as he should be, but unless you are old enough to remember on you own you wouldn't know of the role Ronald Reagan played in pushing Gorbachev and driving the Soviet Union into economic collapse which made it possible for the Wall to come down.
    This economic collapse was in the Soviet Union. Reagan pushed for systems and the Soviets were trying to keep up with or counter Reagans proposals like the Stategic Defense Initiative better known to many as Star Wars. This was part of what bought down the Soviets and his dealings with Gorbachev helped.

    A look into the economic miss left by Carter made will show you President Reagan proposed sweeping tax rate reductions during the 1980s. What happened? Total tax revenues climbed by 99.4 percent during the 1980s, and the results are even more impressive when looking at what happened to personal income tax revenues. Once the economy received an unambiguous tax cut in January 1983, income tax revenues climbed dramatically, increasing by more than 54 percent by 1989 (28 percent after adjusting for inflation).
    If you look into it you will find that JFK also cut taxes because he knew it would help the economy. Which it did for Reagan and the last good Dempcrat president JFK.

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    Re: Thousands cheer 20 years since fall of Berlin Wall

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    This economic collapse was in the Soviet Union. Reagan pushed for systems and the Soviets were trying to keep up with or counter Reagans proposals like the Stategic Defense Initiative better known to many as Star Wars. This was part of what bought down the Soviets and his dealings with Gorbachev helped.
    You are pushing a relationship between two events that simply does not exist. Reagan's economic policy did have an effect on the fall of the USSR, but not on the fall of the Berlin Wall, which I believe was the original focus of this thread. Reagan can take no credit for the fall of the Wall whatsoever.

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Once the economy received an unambiguous tax cut in January 1983, income tax revenues climbed dramatically, increasing by more than 54 percent by 1989 (28 percent after adjusting for inflation).
    Correlation =/= causality.

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