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    Re: Obama's Afghan Plan: About 40K More Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    That is true and I agree with giving them those missions, not to mention plucking "players" out of NG units to fill vital roles...i.e., police chiefs, city planners, etc.
    Not only that, but there should be an effort made to identify qaulity leaders and make sure those soldiers in the slots where they'll do the most good and the bird turds that were promoted just because of time in service are placed where they can do the least harm. And, I'm talking about squad leaders on up. If that means that a BDE commander has to be overridden by the DIV commander, then so be it.



    For the major BCTs, 04-05 was the first major go-around. Some are on their second try...but none owning battlespace at this time that I'm aware of.
    I believe you're right, there aren't BCT that are operational in theater at this time.
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    Re: Obama's Afghan Plan: About 40K More Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    " The two senior administration officials suggested the information is being leaked by Pentagon sources who are trying to box in Obama by setting public expectations that he will send close to 40,000 more troops to Afghanistan, as requested by McChrystal.

    "People at the Pentagon are trying to force a certain outcome," one of the senior administration officials told CNN."


    White House: No Afghanistan troop decision made - CNN.com


    Wow.
    Good for them. Just send the god damned troops already...

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    Re: Obama's Afghan Plan: About 40K More Troops

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    DID SOMEONE SAY 40K???

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    Re: Obama's Afghan Plan: About 40K More Troops

    I think Obama's plan for Afghanistan has been summed up well and in one word by Cheney: "Dithering". As in "dithering" idiot.

    The two senior administration officials suggested the information is being leaked by Pentagon sources
    Trial balloon?

    With these people, the troops are not sent until the troops are sent. It is difficult to believe anything this group says.

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    Re: Obama's Afghan Plan: About 40K More Troops

    I'd say send the troops AND some Flying ****ing Fortresses of Doom...aka AC-130u's


    now THERE'S reinforcements...

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    Re: Obama's Afghan Plan: About 40K More Troops

    So basically it took Obama how long to decide that McCrystal was right in his assesment?

    This is what we get when we elect someone with no military experiance to the WH while we are in the middle of two wars.
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    Re: Obama's Afghan Plan: About 40K More Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    So basically it took Obama how long to decide that McCrystal was right in his assesment?

    This is what we get when we elect someone with no military experiance to the WH while we are in the middle of two wars.
    I disagree with this assessment. I think he respected McCrystal's recommendation, but certain avenues had to be explored first: what level of troops was NATO willing to contribute (none), what was pakistan prepared to do (nothing), do we have the supply route capacity for the new troops (maybe), do we have the troops available (if we send troops home from Iraq.

    And so on that last point, we had to know when Iraqi elections were taking place so we could plan rotating a unit out of Iraq and rotating a different unit into Afghanistan. Enter the election law just passed on Sunday, one day before this leak: http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...elections.html

    Needless to say, all of this took time. I am satisfied with the decision and with the speed the troops can be brought into theater. There is going to be more casualties, not because we don't have troops there, but because we are in an aggressive COIN posture.
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    Re: Obama's Afghan Plan: About 40K More Troops

    Afghanistan is culturally tribal and fragmented, anyway. No centralised government, parliamentary or federal, will ever work in that country. It'd take decades upon decades of cultural globalisation for that to happen. The best the NATO forces are going to do is make it slightly more secure.
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    Re: Obama's Afghan Plan: About 40K More Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    So basically it took Obama how long to decide that McCrystal was right in his assesment?

    This is what we get when we elect someone with no military experiance to the WH while we are in the middle of two wars.
    The fact that he even had the cajones to second guess a military commander on the ground after being avidly opposed to the surge in Iraq is enough to make me vomit.

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    Re: Obama's Afghan Plan: About 40K More Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Nixon View Post
    Afghanistan is culturally tribal and fragmented, anyway. No centralised government, parliamentary or federal, will ever work in that country. It'd take decades upon decades of cultural globalisation for that to happen. The best the NATO forces are going to do is make it slightly more secure.
    Let's just buy opium from them in exchange for them to leave everyone alone. Except Russia. They can mess with Russia.

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