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    Re: Obama's Afghan Plan: About 40K More Troops

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    And, that somehow, makes it ok?
    No, it makes it reasonable.
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    Re: Obama's Afghan Plan: About 40K More Troops

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    They would hardly be sent there untrained.
    When did you serve? One weekend a month, two weeks a year is not nearly enough time for a reserve unit to be ready for deployment, especially for this type of warfare.
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    Re: Obama's Afghan Plan: About 40K More Troops

    Umm...

    (CBS) Editor's note, 9:57 p.m. EDT: The White House has issued the following response to this story, attributed to White House National Security Advisor James Jones:

    "Reports that President Obama has made a decision about Afghanistan are absolutely false. He has not received final options for his consideration, he has not reviewed those options with his national security team, and he has not made any decisions about resources. Any reports to the contrary are completely untrue and come from uninformed sources."



    Obama's Afghan Plan: About 40K More Troops - CBS News

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    Re: Obama's Afghan Plan: About 40K More Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    No, it makes it reasonable.
    What's so reasonable about it?



    Quote Originally Posted by RightOfCenter View Post
    When did you serve? One weekend a month, two weeks a year is not nearly enough time for a reserve unit to be ready for deployment, especially for this type of warfare.
    You say that as if these units haven't already been operating against this type of warfare already.
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    Re: Obama's Afghan Plan: About 40K More Troops

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    Umm...

    (CBS) Editor's note, 9:57 p.m. EDT: The White House has issued the following response to this story, attributed to White House National Security Advisor James Jones:

    "Reports that President Obama has made a decision about Afghanistan are absolutely false. He has not received final options for his consideration, he has not reviewed those options with his national security team, and he has not made any decisions about resources. Any reports to the contrary are completely untrue and come from uninformed sources."



    Obama's Afghan Plan: About 40K More Troops - CBS News
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    Re: Obama's Afghan Plan: About 40K More Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You say that as if these units haven't already been operating against this type of warfare already.
    Man, I hate to be on the wrong side of this, but I have to go with what I've seen. NG and Reserve units, IMO, have performed poorly when they have owned battlespace...meaning their leadership is making the call. They have done OK while supplementing active duty. We've had this conversation, and I think the world of our weekend warriors, but I would never allow the NG or Res. to "own" any land in a COIN fight. Never.

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    Re: Obama's Afghan Plan: About 40K More Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You say that as if these units haven't already been operating against this type of warfare already.
    Take my unit for example. I'm a tanker in a tank company in an infantry battalion. When gearing up for deployment we don't start until a year before the actual deployment. Then we head to mob stations like Camp Shelby. Then we deploy. That process takes over a year. During this training we learn the actual jobs we'll do while we're deployed, jobs that have nothing to do with the tanks we train with for the time when we're not preparing to be deployed. And that is for an actual combat arms company. Now imagine doing the same thing with a non-combat MOS.
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    Re: Obama's Afghan Plan: About 40K More Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    Man, I hate to be on the wrong side of this, but I have to go with what I've seen. NG and Reserve units, IMO, have performed poorly when they have owned battlespace...meaning their leadership is making the call. They have done OK while supplementing active duty. We've had this conversation, and I think the world of our weekend warriors, but I would never allow the NG or Res. to "own" any land in a COIN fight. Never.
    I wouldn't either, nor did I ever say they should. However, there are plenty of security and support missions that NG and AR component units can fullfill.

    You also gotta stop and realize the last go round of NG deployments was their first time seeing the elephant.


    Quote Originally Posted by RightOfCenter View Post
    Take my unit for example. I'm a tanker in a tank company in an infantry battalion. When gearing up for deployment we don't start until a year before the actual deployment. Then we head to mob stations like Camp Shelby. Then we deploy. That process takes over a year. During this training we learn the actual jobs we'll do while we're deployed, jobs that have nothing to do with the tanks we train with for the time when we're not preparing to be deployed. And that is for an actual combat arms company. Now imagine doing the same thing with a non-combat MOS.
    Now, you're talking about something totally different, when you start cross-training soldier into other MOS's. If you're going to operating in your primary, you should be able to perform you job as well, if not better than RA, because you're all smarter and better educated. During my time with RTD, I saw NG units make RA units look like assholes. I saw a NG brigade give the OPFOR at NTC one helluva run for their money and nobody does that to NTC's OPFOR. The best that a unit can hope for at NTC is to die with honor.... So, if you make OPFOR sweat a little, then you've done something.
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    Re: Obama's Afghan Plan: About 40K More Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I wouldn't either, nor did I ever say they should. However, there are plenty of security and support missions that NG and AR component units can fullfill.
    That is true and I agree with giving them those missions, not to mention plucking "players" out of NG units to fill vital roles...i.e., police chiefs, city planners, etc.

    You also gotta stop and realize the last go round of NG deployments was their first time seeing the elephant.
    For the major BCTs, 04-05 was the first major go-around. Some are on their second try...but none owning battlespace at this time that I'm aware of.

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    Re: Obama's Afghan Plan: About 40K More Troops

    " The two senior administration officials suggested the information is being leaked by Pentagon sources who are trying to box in Obama by setting public expectations that he will send close to 40,000 more troops to Afghanistan, as requested by McChrystal.

    "People at the Pentagon are trying to force a certain outcome," one of the senior administration officials told CNN."


    White House: No Afghanistan troop decision made - CNN.com


    Wow.

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