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Officials: U.S. Aware of Hasan Efforts to Contact al Qaeda

I love my bottle.

Anyway...in all seriousness:

Classmates who participated in a 2007-2008 master's program at a military college told The Associated Press that they complained to faculty during the program about what they considered to be Hasan's anti-American views, which included his giving a presentation that justified suicide bombing and telling classmates that Islamic law trumped the U.S. Constitution.

"If Hasan was showing signs, saying to people that he had become an Islamist extremist, the U.S. Army has to have zero tolerance," Lieberman, an independent from Connecticut, said on "Fox News Sunday." "He should have been gone."

Hospital: Ft. Hood shooting suspect awake, talking - Yahoo! News

Here's the thing...

If you ask almost ANY Christian, which would they tell you was superior: the U.S. Constitution or God's laws?

Do you get booted out of the army for believing that?

Further, are you really going to kick a career officer out of the military for stating that there are justifications for terror attacks? Seriously?

And, why didn't these classmates complain to his command personnel?
 
You know...maybe this guy was just a troll who happened to go bat**** insane. I'd rather be safe than sorry and assume the worst, but...he did what I normally do in class, say stupid **** to get all my classmates riled up. :D Though, I don't know if I'd go and talk **** about the Constitution no matter who I'm trollin'
 
You know...maybe this guy was just a troll who happened to go bat**** insane. I'd rather be safe than sorry and assume the worst, but...he did what I normally do in class, say stupid **** to get all my classmates riled up. :D Though, I don't know if I'd go and talk **** about the Constitution no matter who I'm trollin'

I just think that hindsight is 20/20. We want to prevent these kinds of things, but sadly, we can't. Freedom has risks. Even if he thought those things, what were the odds that he'd take a loaded weapon on base and start firing?

I mean, think about it. You're his classmate, do you REALLY think that he's going to turn his rhetoric into action? Lots of people say crazy stuff, very few people DO IT.
 
Wow, the so the FBI was watching him for six months or so because he was an Islamist officer in the U.S. military, and now the CIA had been watching him for the same thing. A whole bunch of fellow Army officers had complained several times that he was an anti-American Islamist.

Yet nobody ever made it a point to go visit this guy?

Yeah, okay. If that is the case then a nice big portion of our intelligence community, the FBI, and the officer corp of the U.S. Army is an absolute joke...completely incompetent.

I can just see the brew-ha-ha that would start if they had pounced on this dude. Folsk like yourself would be the ones making the most noise about it, too.
 
Folsk like yourself would be the ones making the most noise about it, too.

Folks like yourself should be if your commitment to the constitution and the bill of rights wasn't thinner than the average crepe.
 
Folks like yourself should be if your commitment to the constitution and the bill of rights wasn't thinner than the average crepe.

What about the rights of those soldiers that were killed for being infadels?

Call me crazy, but I believe that our right to be free from mass murdering ass holes over-rides a person's right to be a mass murdering asshole.

I agree that there are certain risks that come with a society as free as ours, but I would call this undue risk.

I took an oath one time and there was this little part in there where I swore to protect this country and The Constitution from, "enemies, foreign and domestic". This cat qualifies as a domestic enemy to the security and safety of our nation.
 
Wow, the so the FBI was watching him for six months or so because he was an Islamist officer in the U.S. military, and now the CIA had been watching him for the same thing. A whole bunch of fellow Army officers had complained several times that he was an anti-American Islamist.

Yet nobody ever made it a point to go visit this guy?

Yeah, okay. If that is the case then a nice big portion of our intelligence community, the FBI, and the officer corp of the U.S. Army is an absolute joke...completely incompetent.





either that or they were too scared of PC crap..... :shrug:
 
Call me crazy, but I believe that our right to be free from mass murdering ass holes over-rides a person's right to be a mass murdering asshole.

Yeah. That's covered under the 2nd amendment.
 
either that or they were too scared of PC crap..... :shrug:

Undue speculation. He probably wasn't doing much besides talking. And that ain't illegal.

Do you WANT the government to start arresting people because they expressed dislike of the president, for instance?
 
Yeah. That's covered under the 2nd amendment.

I don't see anything in the 2nd Amendment that gives someone the right to murder unarmed citizens because of their religion.
 
Undue speculation. He probably wasn't doing much besides talking. And that ain't illegal.

Do you WANT the government to start arresting people because they expressed dislike of the president, for instance?



UCMJ Article 134. He wasn't a civillian.


If these comments had to do with killin the president, or justification if someone did, I'd expect him to be held to the UCMJ.
 
Undue speculation. He probably wasn't doing much besides talking. And that ain't illegal.

Do you WANT the government to start arresting people because they expressed dislike of the president, for instance?

If someone threatens the prez, he will be arrested. So, it's already happening.
 
UCMJ Article 134. He wasn't a civillian.


If these comments had to do with killin the president, or justification if someone did, I'd expect him to be held to the UCMJ.

But his comments DIDN'T have to do with any of those things. What I can tell, his comments expressed that he holds himself to a higher law (God's law), which is no different from the overwhelming majority of American soldiers. And, that he saw terrorism as a valid tactic against overwhelming military force.

Please explain how either of those sentiments violated article 134.
 
But his comments DIDN'T have to do with any of those things. What I can tell, his comments expressed that he holds himself to a higher law (God's law), which is no different from the overwhelming majority of American soldiers. And, that he saw terrorism as a valid tactic against overwhelming military force.

Please explain how either of those sentiments violated article 134.




I am talking about the "justification" commnents, and pushing islam on PTSD patients...... among other things.
 
As much as I hate it....

Should we be arresting people that said "Hell yeah, I'm glad that person murdered Tiller. He deserved it. The world would be better off if more people would get rid of abortionists" becuase they may decide to go murder someone or because they're agreeing with criminals?

Unless there is some kind of proof or evidence to lead the government to believe that the person was going to take action other than simply words there's little I think they could've done in regards to the FBI/CIA.

The military on the other hand is a different story. I don't know about the rules that may be in place for speaking openly against your standing orders, stating the enemy is correct, suggesting people to not follow the consitution, or other such things.

That said, while I don't see anything thus far to say why this man should've been arrested and jailed prior to this, I see no reason why he shouldn't have been heavily monitored and more thuroughly looked into.
 
If someone threatens the prez, he will be arrested. So, it's already happening.

Do you not honestly see a difference between saying you think the President is wrong, the president is dangerous, the president is a nazi, the president hates this country....

...and saying "I am going to kill...." him?
 
I am talking about the "justification" commnents, and pushing islam on PTSD patients...... among other things.

That's stuff that his command staff are fully culpable in not dealing with. Had he been removed from actively seeing patients? Even if his command staff had responded to this professionally, though, it's unlikely that he would have been kicked out of the military, isn't it?
 
Here's a justification comment:

Terrorism in the middle east is not that different from some of the actions of the Continental Army during the U.S. revolution and bears great similarity to the tactics used against native Americans by U.S. forces.

Should I lose my job? Be arrested?
 
That's stuff that his command staff are fully culpable in not dealing with. Had he been removed from actively seeing patients? Even if his command staff had responded to this professionally, though, it's unlikely that he would have been kicked out of the military, isn't it?




Why though did they not deal with it? That is something we need to find out. As for being kicked out? Probably not. But given that this Major had never been overseas (shocking in itself), He was not going to make LTCOL anyway.


I tell you what, if I was just coming back from a-stan with ptsd and some major started telling me I needed to come to islam..... I might not have acted uhm, professionally...
 
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