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    Re: Officials: U.S. Aware of Hasan Efforts to Contact al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Here's a justification comment:

    Terrorism in the middle east is not that different from some of the actions of the Continental Army during the U.S. revolution and bears great similarity to the tactics used against native Americans by U.S. forces.

    Should I lose my job? Be arrested?
    Very Similar? How about the Founding Fathers would be considered terrorists by today's standards. I offer you this from my Organized Crime class.

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    Most of us are familiar with the concept of international terrorism, but have little understanding of the extent of domestic terrorism in the modern USA. Give us your definition of domestic terrorism. Then identify groups you consider to be domestic terrorist organizations. Tell us why you believe them to be terrorists. Tell us about specific terrorist acts that those groups have carried out. Respond to another student's posting.

    My definition of Domestic Terrorism is a Terrorist or Terrorist group that operates within their own Nation or locality exclusively. Some Home-Grown Terrorists might be considered though some become part of an International Organization and thus become International Terrorists. Groups that I would consider Domestic Terrorists? The Black Panthers, Aryan Brotherhood, KKK, The Animal Liberation Front, The Army of God, Black Liberation Front, Jewish Defense League, Symbionese Liberation Army, Weathermen, any number of the home grown Islamic groups that operate specifically in the United States and have mainly American citizens, Gangs such as the Crips and Bloods (though it could be argued they may have stepped onto the international scene, most of them stay here at home), and my FAVORITE of all Domestic Terrorists, THE FOUNDING FATHERS OF THESE UNITED STATES. They are terrorists because they fit the definition of a terrorist: Using Fear and Terror, ususally through acts of violence, to fight an enemy or “persuade” the general populace and get their message or agenda across. Specific terrorist attacks include the Revolutionary War of 1776, where then British Citizens would threaten and kill British Officials in an attempt to weaken the British resolve and hold on the colonies. The Wall Street bombing of the J.P. Morgan building (by what is believed to be followers of Luigi Galleani) was perpetrated by Anarchist Communists. The Unabomber, who sent letter bombs to various professors or researchers. The Oklahoma City Bombing carried out by Timothy McVeigh was the deadliest Domestic Terror attack to date, killing over 150 people. Most recently, the Holocaust Museum shooting happened in June of this year when an elderly man, believed to be a Neo-Nazi, went into the Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, DC and proceeded to fire at security officers with a rifle.



    On a side note, many people believe that groups such as the Oathkeepers, and these “Crazy Right Wing Extremists” that are protesting the Government might be Domestic Terrorists, the DHS even included this warning in a report it published (PDF opens in new window) What are everyone's thoughts on this?



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    Lynman, Michael D., & Potter, Gary W. (2007). Organized Crime. Upper Saddle River, New Jersey: Pearson-Prentice Hall.
    Critique away. Ignore the last paragraph, that was mostly to spur discussion on the boards.
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    Re: Officials: U.S. Aware of Hasan Efforts to Contact al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Very Similar? How about the Founding Fathers would be considered terrorists by today's standards. I offer you this from my Organized Crime class.
    I actually agree. The Continental Army didn't use terror tactics as their primary M.O., but their attacks against loyalist families would fit the strict definition.

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    Re: Officials: U.S. Aware of Hasan Efforts to Contact al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Why though did they not deal with it? That is something we need to find out.
    For all we know, he was removed from patient contact and driving a desk where he could do little harm.

    As for being kicked out? Probably not. But given that this Major had never been overseas (shocking in itself), He was not going to make LTCOL anyway.
    That sends a message all by itself, to be blunt, given the need for counselors, etc. in combat zones.

    I tell you what, if I was just coming back from a-stan with ptsd and some major started telling me I needed to come to islam..... I might not have acted uhm, professionally...
    Being the greatness that is the Rev., you could have silenced him with a paper clip.




    *through the tongue.
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    Re: Officials: U.S. Aware of Hasan Efforts to Contact al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I actually agree. The Continental Army didn't use terror tactics as their primary M.O., but their attacks against loyalist families would fit the strict definition.
    agree'd. My favorite though would have to be Francis Marion "The Swamp Fox". Dude riled up quite a few Redcoats.

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    Re: Officials: U.S. Aware of Hasan Efforts to Contact al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    agree'd. My favorite though would have to be Francis Marion "The Swamp Fox". Dude riled up quite a few Redcoats.
    Of course, the British forces used heinous tactics against the civilian populations, which didn't help.

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    Re: Officials: U.S. Aware of Hasan Efforts to Contact al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post


    Being the greatness that is the Rev., you could have silenced him with a paper clip.



    Actually, all the Good Reverend needs is just a passing gaze...... holla!
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    Re: Officials: U.S. Aware of Hasan Efforts to Contact al Qaeda

    I think Political Correctness had a part in no action at all being seemingly taken against him. However, much like I was saying the other day, people are arguing in part because people are pushing too far.

    Becasue Political Correctness may be a factor doesn't mean we need to view all Muslims as potential time bombs of radicalism or ban muslims from serving in the military of think that since we don't know which muslims are radical we must distrust them all. And the problem is many of those pushing the PC issue (not all, but many) are the same that seem to be thanking, implying, tacitly agreeing, or straight up stating the extreme on the other side.

    And even if PC playd a part in it, its much like other instances that the right like to say "its the people, not the views/objects".

    Political Correctness doesn't kill people. People who refuse to do their job for fear of Political Correctness may kill people, but PC doesn't. People Kill People.

    Maybe it was Political Correctness. Maybe it was certain matters of protocal. Maybe it was actually simply the law and the constitution and him not having done anything enough to warrant action by those that could. Maybe it was friends of him not taking him serious. Maybe some people just viewed him as harmless. Maybe a lot of this is getting exposed now because its sensational but in reality makes up a very small percentage of what most people knew about him. Maybe action HAD been taken up to the point that it was legally or structually able to have been.

    But people, again, just want to assume something and zoom in on something not because they care, or they give a damn, but they're trying to play these pathetic political games and jump on anything they can to be able to raise up the flag of whatever token issue they want and to use the deaths of these people...in this case our troops...as exploited pawns in their attempts to make political points over actually caring about the facts or reality of a situation.

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    Re: Officials: U.S. Aware of Hasan Efforts to Contact al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I think Political Correctness had a part in no action at all being seemingly taken against him.
    I dunno...I can see the headline now:

    FBI Takes Man into Custody over Perceived Threat:
    "We're still working on the rest of the evidence though"



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    Re: Officials: U.S. Aware of Hasan Efforts to Contact al Qaeda

    You would think that self-proclaimed conservatives would have a problem with this sort of thing. Or at least, I would.

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    Re: Officials: U.S. Aware of Hasan Efforts to Contact al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    You would think that self-proclaimed conservatives would have a problem with this sort of thing. Or at least, I would.
    With what? Muslims? yes. They do have a problem with this sort of thing.

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