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    Re: Officials: U.S. Aware of Hasan Efforts to Contact al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Undue speculation. He probably wasn't doing much besides talking. And that ain't illegal.

    Do you WANT the government to start arresting people because they expressed dislike of the president, for instance?
    If someone threatens the prez, he will be arrested. So, it's already happening.
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    Re: Officials: U.S. Aware of Hasan Efforts to Contact al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    UCMJ Article 134. He wasn't a civillian.


    If these comments had to do with killin the president, or justification if someone did, I'd expect him to be held to the UCMJ.
    But his comments DIDN'T have to do with any of those things. What I can tell, his comments expressed that he holds himself to a higher law (God's law), which is no different from the overwhelming majority of American soldiers. And, that he saw terrorism as a valid tactic against overwhelming military force.

    Please explain how either of those sentiments violated article 134.

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    Re: Officials: U.S. Aware of Hasan Efforts to Contact al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    But his comments DIDN'T have to do with any of those things. What I can tell, his comments expressed that he holds himself to a higher law (God's law), which is no different from the overwhelming majority of American soldiers. And, that he saw terrorism as a valid tactic against overwhelming military force.

    Please explain how either of those sentiments violated article 134.



    I am talking about the "justification" commnents, and pushing islam on PTSD patients...... among other things.
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    Re: Officials: U.S. Aware of Hasan Efforts to Contact al Qaeda

    As much as I hate it....

    Should we be arresting people that said "Hell yeah, I'm glad that person murdered Tiller. He deserved it. The world would be better off if more people would get rid of abortionists" becuase they may decide to go murder someone or because they're agreeing with criminals?

    Unless there is some kind of proof or evidence to lead the government to believe that the person was going to take action other than simply words there's little I think they could've done in regards to the FBI/CIA.

    The military on the other hand is a different story. I don't know about the rules that may be in place for speaking openly against your standing orders, stating the enemy is correct, suggesting people to not follow the consitution, or other such things.

    That said, while I don't see anything thus far to say why this man should've been arrested and jailed prior to this, I see no reason why he shouldn't have been heavily monitored and more thuroughly looked into.

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    Re: Officials: U.S. Aware of Hasan Efforts to Contact al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If someone threatens the prez, he will be arrested. So, it's already happening.
    Do you not honestly see a difference between saying you think the President is wrong, the president is dangerous, the president is a nazi, the president hates this country....

    ...and saying "I am going to kill...." him?

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    Re: Officials: U.S. Aware of Hasan Efforts to Contact al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I am talking about the "justification" commnents, and pushing islam on PTSD patients...... among other things.
    That's stuff that his command staff are fully culpable in not dealing with. Had he been removed from actively seeing patients? Even if his command staff had responded to this professionally, though, it's unlikely that he would have been kicked out of the military, isn't it?

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    Re: Officials: U.S. Aware of Hasan Efforts to Contact al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I am talking about the "justification" commnents, and pushing islam on PTSD patients...... among other things.
    That's what Radical Muslims call "effective advertising". Anyone else a little worried?

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    Re: Officials: U.S. Aware of Hasan Efforts to Contact al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If someone threatens the prez, he will be arrested. So, it's already happening.
    Answer the question:

    Do you WANT the government to start arresting people because they expressed dislike of the president, for instance?
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Officials: U.S. Aware of Hasan Efforts to Contact al Qaeda

    Here's a justification comment:

    Terrorism in the middle east is not that different from some of the actions of the Continental Army during the U.S. revolution and bears great similarity to the tactics used against native Americans by U.S. forces.

    Should I lose my job? Be arrested?

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    Re: Officials: U.S. Aware of Hasan Efforts to Contact al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    That's stuff that his command staff are fully culpable in not dealing with. Had he been removed from actively seeing patients? Even if his command staff had responded to this professionally, though, it's unlikely that he would have been kicked out of the military, isn't it?



    Why though did they not deal with it? That is something we need to find out. As for being kicked out? Probably not. But given that this Major had never been overseas (shocking in itself), He was not going to make LTCOL anyway.


    I tell you what, if I was just coming back from a-stan with ptsd and some major started telling me I needed to come to islam..... I might not have acted uhm, professionally...
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