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    Re: Fort Hood Army Massacre Shooter Has Possible 9/11 Link

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    I think you're jumping to conclusions from one single isolated incident.
    Just because the incident is singular or isolated doesn't mean my conclusion isn't based upon sound reasoning.

    If it happens a few times, I'll be worried your fear is legitimate. But one is too little to draw a "new tactic" from.
    I'm not saying Iím absolutely correct. Iím just saying we should at least analyze it from that perspective instead of reflexively dismissing it.

    9/11 was the first attack of its kind, but that doesn't mean we had to wait for more planes to fly into big buildings before we increased airport security.

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    Re: Fort Hood Army Massacre Shooter Has Possible 9/11 Link

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    BYou said we had to consider it a terrorist attack and couldn't consider it a just a mental break down, implying that it is only able to those two things. It could easily be viewed that jihadist tendancies played into why he did it and still not believe it was a terrorist attack.
    I said it was a terrorist attack, yes, however, I did not say that it was inextricably linked to his religious affiliation, which is what you seemed to be implying.

    I'm not terribly concerned with his religious motivations in and of themselves. In the absence of his extremist affiliations I would be inclined to agree with your assessment, e.g., that he simply "snapped" and went on a rampage.

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    Re: Fort Hood Army Massacre Shooter Has Possible 9/11 Link

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I said it was a terrorist attack, yes, however, I did not say that it was inextricably linked to his religious affiliation, which is what you seemed to be implying.

    I'm not terribly concerned with his religious motivations in and of themselves. In the absence of his extremist affiliations I would be inclined to agree with your assessment, e.g., that he simply "snapped" and went on a rampage.
    I guess we're both doing the same thing to each other.

    I'm not suggesting he just "snapped". Its not my assertion at all. I think its a distinct combination of his mental state, his extreme religious views, the military situation he was in, and him being shipped out shortly that all came together to cause this. I think once it was clear he was going to be sent off and that he wasn't affecting any change it was either accept it, desert, or take action and take action was the one that appeal to him most both religiously and mentally.

    It just doesn't reach the level of evidence to me to suggest this was a terrorist attack rather than a mass murder brought on in part due to extreme religious views. The things that indicate something is a terrorist attack to me just haven't been fully present in this instance as of yet.

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    Re: Fort Hood Army Massacre Shooter Has Possible 9/11 Link

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I guess we're both doing the same thing to each other.

    I'm not suggesting he just "snapped". Its not my assertion at all. I think its a distinct combination of his mental state, his extreme religious views, the military situation he was in, and him being shipped out shortly that all came together to cause this. I think once it was clear he was going to be sent off and that he wasn't affecting any change it was either accept it, desert, or take action and take action was the one that appeal to him most both religiously and mentally.
    He was the purposeful creation of Jihadi radicalism; akin to a psychological weapon whose triggering mechanism was the prospect of being sent to Iraq or Afghanistan; a latent cell that could be activated independent of the formal command structure.

    The definition of "terrorism" and "terrorist" should be amenable to change because "terrorists" are not static enemies; their methods evolve constantly.

    It just doesn't reach the level of evidence to me to suggest this was a terrorist attack rather than a mass murder brought on in part due to extreme religious views. The things that indicate something is a terrorist attack to me just haven't been fully present in this instance as of yet.
    It certainly doesn't look like your "normal" terrorist attack but perhaps that was never the enemy's intent.

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    Re: Fort Hood Army Massacre Shooter Has Possible 9/11 Link

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Just because the incident is singular or isolated doesn't mean my conclusion isn't based upon sound reasoning.



    I'm not saying Iím absolutely correct. Iím just saying we should at least analyze it from that perspective instead of reflexively dismissing it.

    9/11 was the first attack of its kind, but that doesn't mean we had to wait for more planes to fly into big buildings before we increased airport security.
    I'm still waiting to see the evidence that he was a preprogrammed sleeper. It doesn't make sense. A military base is not the best place to use a tool like this. Think about it: he was at a place surrounded by people who are trained in deadly force. A better use would have been to wait a few weeks, and send him to a mall on Black Friday. It'd be more damaging psychologically, and kill more people. There's no evidence that he was given any command, it's your deluded fantasy.
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    Re: Fort Hood Army Massacre Shooter Has Possible 9/11 Link

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    I'm still waiting to see the evidence that he was a preprogrammed sleeper. It doesn't make sense. A military base is not the best place to use a tool like this. Think about it: he was at a place surrounded by people who are trained in deadly force. A better use would have been to wait a few weeks, and send him to a mall on Black Friday. It'd be more damaging psychologically, and kill more people. There's no evidence that he was given any command, it's your deluded fantasy.
    I don't think he was a sleeper. I think he self-radicalized over the years and finally decided to act. Soldiers are unarmed on the base, particularly in the administrative capacity at the SRP site that Hassan attacked. Killing Soldiers degrades our ability to wage war against Muslims in Iraq and AFG. Killing kids in the mall doesn't do as much for his cause. I think he heard a lot of stories from PTSD folks about killing Muslims and got really pissed off about it and self-radicalized.

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    Re: Alleged Ft. Hood gunman may have 9/11 mosque link

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Could you please provide names of those who "do not want him to be tied to jihadist" and some quote showing this as true, or are you just full of bluff and bluster as you talk out your ass about imaginary people?

    Good on Lieberman to call for investigations. If the same mosque is connected to more and more of these that particular mosque should probably be looked at more closely.
    You're not fair at all, you're just blind. You haven't seen the libs around here trying to make this whole thing non-terrorist?
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    Re: Fort Hood Army Massacre Shooter Has Possible 9/11 Link

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    I'm still waiting to see the evidence that he was a preprogrammed sleeper. It doesn't make sense. A military base is not the best place to use a tool like this. Think about it: he was at a place surrounded by people who are trained in deadly force. A better use would have been to wait a few weeks, and send him to a mall on Black Friday. It'd be more damaging psychologically, and kill more people. There's no evidence that he was given any command, it's your deluded fantasy.
    You're not understanding what I'm saying and you continue to insult me. I see no reason to continue this discussion.

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    Re: Fort Hood Army Massacre Shooter Has Possible 9/11 Link

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    You're not understanding what I'm saying and you continue to insult me. I see no reason to continue this discussion.
    What is a makeout hobo?

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    Re: Alleged Ft. Hood gunman may have 9/11 mosque link

    This article made some good points on why "PC Kills". and yes I know it's a conservative rag but there are a few good examples in there.

    Read it.

    Interpret it with an open mind.


    Then I'm sure everyone can make an educated, well rounded rebuttal as to why I'm a moron for believing that some theory thought up by Marxists to help aid in uniting the proletarians is inadvertently causing mischief.


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