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    Re: Fort Hood Army Massacre Shooter Has Possible 9/11 Link

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    It's a simple extrapolation of the evidence presented thus far.

    We SHOULD view this man as a new kind of terrorist cell. A cell that is radicalized by the Jihadist network yet acts independently of the command structure. It's a lone-wolf tactic that is being cunningly employed by the enemy. Our worse mistake would be to view this as a simple mental breakdown.
    Wow. That is so amazingly cunning! Or paranoid, I'm not sure. You have no evidence of such, you're just assuming so. Besides, it doesn't seem like an AQ style attack. They have traditionally gone for the BIG explosions.
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    Re: Fort Hood Army Massacre Shooter Has Possible 9/11 Link

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    It's a simple extrapolation of the evidence presented thus far.
    We SHOULD view this man as a new kind of terrorist cell. A cell that is radicalized by the Jihadist network yet acts independently of the command structure. It's a lone-wolf tactic that is being cunningly employed by the enemy. Our worse mistake would be to view this as a simple mental breakdown.
    I really do often wonder...
    Why havent the terrorists that -are- here gone after our schools?
    Nothing like driving gasoline tankers into elemntary schools to strike abject fear in the hearts of the American people.

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    Re: Fort Hood Army Massacre Shooter Has Possible 9/11 Link

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    There is no source. Its his opinion, just like its my opinion he's not a terrorist. Issue is mine is based on principle, his is based on the need to attack Obama. Saying a terrorist attack happened damages Obama more than saying a murder happened.
    Yea, it has nothing to do with my desire to protect this country. It has everything to do with attacking Obama...

    Question: How is classifying Hassan as a terrorist an attack on Obama

    10 to 1 I firmly believe many of those here and in the media stressing the need to call this guy a terrorist would still be going after Islam but would be calling it a mass shooting if it was Bush that was still in office because they would want to keep saying how we've had no terrorist attack under him.

    And I'd love to see anyone try to say that I'm somehow pulling for, defending, or supporting Obama's administration or that he's my "Messiah"
    He's not your Messiah, I know this; you're just jumping on the DP bandwagon. Anyway...

    Initially, I thought this guy had just snapped but the evidence has overwhelmingly contradicted this. So, when contradictory evidence is presented I do what most rational people do and change my mind.

    This guy was a terrorist cell. He was radicalized by the Jihadist network such that he acted independently of the command structure. This appears to be a new tactic of the enemy, one that will increase the randomness and frequency of attacks on American soil. My desire to characterize him as such has nothing to do with attacking Obama and everything to do with accurately defining the enemy and countering their tactics.

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    Re: Fort Hood Army Massacre Shooter Has Possible 9/11 Link

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Yea, it has nothing to do with my desire to protect this country. It has everything to do with attacking Obama...

    Question: How is classifying Hassan as a terrorist an attack on Obama



    He's not your Messiah, I know this; you're just jumping on the DP bandwagon. Anyway...

    Initially, I thought this guy had just snapped but the evidence has overwhelmingly contradicted this. So, when contradictory evidence is presented I do what most rational people do and change my mind.

    This guy was a terrorist cell. He was radicalized by the Jihadist network such that he acted independently of the command structure. This appears to be a new tactic of the enemy, one that will increase the randomness and frequency of attacks on American soil. My desire to characterize him as such has nothing to do with attacking Obama and everything to do with accurately defining the enemy and countering their tactics.
    Has this happened anywhere else?
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    Re: Fort Hood Army Massacre Shooter Has Possible 9/11 Link

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    You realize one is able to view this as actually being partially religiously caused AND view it as a mass murder not a terrorist act....right?

    Are you saying that Religious Crime = Terrorism? Or do you just hold that position for Muslim Crime = terrorism?
    I never implied any of this.

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    Re: Fort Hood Army Massacre Shooter Has Possible 9/11 Link

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Wow. That is so amazingly cunning!
    Yes, it is. Increasing the randomness and frequency of terrorist attacks on American soil absent a formal command structure is extremely cunning.

    It inhibits our ability to identify, locate, and target the enemy, which decreases our ability to prevent these kinds of attacks.

    Or paranoid, I'm not sure.
    Well, there IS a vast terror network that is hell-bent on destroying America...

    You have no evidence of such, you're just assuming so.
    You can ignore the evidence if you wish. The man associated with radical Jihadists and proceeded to massacre dozens of Soldiers, but whatevs...

    Besides, it doesn't seem like an AQ style attack. They have traditionally gone for the BIG explosions.
    Did I say he was part of AQ? No, I didn't.

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    Re: Fort Hood Army Massacre Shooter Has Possible 9/11 Link

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Has this happened anywhere else?
    *cough-cough*

    I said NEW tactic. Meaning that it hasn't been previously implemented.

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    Re: Fort Hood Army Massacre Shooter Has Possible 9/11 Link

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    *cough-cough*

    I said NEW tactic. Meaning that it hasn't been previously implemented.
    I think you're jumping to conclusions from one single isolated incident. If it happens a few times, I'll be worried your fear is legitimate. But one is too little to draw a "new tactic" from.
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    Re: Fort Hood Army Massacre Shooter Has Possible 9/11 Link

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I really do often wonder...
    Why havent the terrorists that -are- here gone after our schools?
    Nothing like driving gasoline tankers into elemntary schools to strike abject fear in the hearts of the American people.
    Because in reality fear is not the entire purpose of it. If it was, you'd be absolutely correct. At least recently, it tends to be dual messaged.

    The Trade Centers was, from how they could spin it, a presentation of American Decadence and the Wests financial greed.

    The Pentagon is the symbol of America's military.

    While attacks on them strike fear into our population, they also appear to those that may be on the fence in other countries as potential understandable attacks and are done in such a way that for a mind that is open to such notions could think its justified by believing it wasn't just for terror but they were "striking at America's military and their financial capital".

    Such can not be done as easily by blowing up a school, or even a mall due to the low scale a mall is. Such an attack would just seem blatantly done to kill, murder, and strike fear. No over arching message that those on the fence of radicalism could possibly glean out of it to rationalize their support of it. As such, it'd succeed in regards to inflicting terror but fail in regards to illiciting further support.

    As whacked out and crazy as many of them are, especially the leaders, I dare say that the majority of their followers are not absolute robots. Brainwashed to a point? Yes, but not robots. Its far easier to be able to have your people justify it in your heads when your striking at the decadent symbols of their financial success and the heart of thier military than it is striking and killing a bunch of school children because they happen to be in America.

    Not to say that they WON'T do those kind of attacks, they'll try to spin anything. But I just imagine that the more benefit they can get out of an attack other than just terror the higher up on the priorites list it probably goes.

    Though my comment is still it amazes me that the CDC's building wouldn't be considered a target. Even if such an attack happened and they could contain any illnesses that could have been exposed during it, the natural paranoia of people would still take over for part of the population.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I never implied any of this.
    You said we had to consider it a terrorist attack and couldn't consider it a just a mental break down, implying that it is only able to those two things. It could easily be viewed that jihadist tendancies played into why he did it and still not believe it was a terrorist attack.

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    Re: Fort Hood Army Massacre Shooter Has Possible 9/11 Link

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    No it's been confirmed that he attended the same Mosque as 2 of the hijackers, what has not been confirmed is whether or not he knew them, but he for certain knew their shared radical wahhabist Iman Anwar al Awlaki and that he emailed him upto 20 times before the attacks, that's the link.
    Well then the next question is, How did he get into a position of power with these links? And how the hell did he get past the FBI and authorities?


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