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    Re: Fort Hood Army Massacre Shooter Has Possible 9/11 Link

    Yes, it looks perfectly clear. A mentally disturbed individual that subscribed to an extreme ideology segment of islam was set to be shipped out to the actual front lines and rather than do that, or flee, decided dto essentially martyr himself.

    There's still no evidence of him actually having direct links or planning with a terrorist organization, that he was striving to send some large kind of political message, or inspire fear into the population more so than simply killing people. I still see it at this point as a mass murder perpetrated by a islamic extremist, not a "terrorist" attack. My statement on that would remain the same rather it's Obama or Bush in control. If a clear tie to a terrorist organization in some way is found then I'll be more apt to say this was a planned terrorist attack; as it stands it still seems to be a religiously motivated mass murder.

    I don't think many people are going to disagree that it was inspired in part due to radical Islamist views. I think people have issues when they try to say islam, general normal islam, was the sole reason for this.

    If this man wasn't adhering to a seemingly extreme version of the ideology, this likely wouldn't have happened. If he didn't have the emotional and mental qualities that lead such a person to gravitate to such an ideology, this likely would've never happened. If we were fighting china or russia rather than predominantly muslim middle eastern countries, this likely wouldn't have happened. I think people trying to pin this almost singularly on Islam in general are absolutely ignorant on this issue and simply trying to score political points. But its absolutely impossible to try and legitimately say that radical extremist islamist views did not play a large part into causing this to occur.

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    Re: Fort Hood Army Massacre Shooter Has Possible 9/11 Link

    How did this loon get into the army?
    The Makeout Hobo is real, and does indeed travel around the country in his van and make out with ladies... If you meet the Makeout Hobo, it is customary to greet him with a shot of whiskey and a high five (if you are a dude) or passionate makeouts (if you are a lady).

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    Re: Fort Hood Army Massacre Shooter Has Possible 9/11 Link

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Yes, it looks perfectly clear. A mentally disturbed individual that subscribed to an extreme ideology segment of islam was set to be shipped out to the actual front lines and rather than do that, or flee, decided dto essentially martyr himself.

    There's still no evidence of him actually having direct links or planning with a terrorist organization, that he was striving to send some large kind of political message, or inspire fear into the population more so than simply killing people. I still see it at this point as a mass murder perpetrated by a islamic extremist, not a "terrorist" attack. My statement on that would remain the same rather it's Obama or Bush in control. If a clear tie to a terrorist organization in some way is found then I'll be more apt to say this was a planned terrorist attack; as it stands it still seems to be a religiously motivated mass murder.

    I don't think many people are going to disagree that it was inspired in part due to radical Islamist views. I think people have issues when they try to say islam, general normal islam, was the sole reason for this.

    If this man wasn't adhering to a seemingly extreme version of the ideology, this likely wouldn't have happened. If he didn't have the emotional and mental qualities that lead such a person to gravitate to such an ideology, this likely would've never happened. If we were fighting china or russia rather than predominantly muslim middle eastern countries, this likely wouldn't have happened. I think people trying to pin this almost singularly on Islam in general are absolutely ignorant on this issue and simply trying to score political points. But its absolutely impossible to try and legitimately say that radical extremist islamist views did not play a large part into causing this to occur.
    He was a terrorist. A latent cell that acted independently of the command structure. It's important that we view him as such.

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    Re: Fort Hood Army Massacre Shooter Has Possible 9/11 Link

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    He was a terrorist. A latent cell that acted independently of the command structure. It's important that we view him as such.
    You will never convince him. No matter how much evidence you give him he will still deny it.
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    Re: Fort Hood Army Massacre Shooter Has Possible 9/11 Link

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    How did this loon get into the army?
    tbf -- he probably wasn't always like this.

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    Re: Fort Hood Army Massacre Shooter Has Possible 9/11 Link

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    He was a terrorist. A latent cell that acted independently of the command structure. It's important that we view him as such.
    ...Source?
    The Makeout Hobo is real, and does indeed travel around the country in his van and make out with ladies... If you meet the Makeout Hobo, it is customary to greet him with a shot of whiskey and a high five (if you are a dude) or passionate makeouts (if you are a lady).

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    Re: Fort Hood Army Massacre Shooter Has Possible 9/11 Link

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    He was a terrorist. A latent cell that acted independently of the command structure. It's important that we view him as such.
    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    You will never convince him. No matter how much evidence you give him he will still deny it.
    Actually tex, you're absolutely wrong.

    Show me somewhat clear evidence that he was acting as an agent of Al-Qaeda or some other terrorist organization, was spurred forward through communication with them to perform this act, that he specifically left evidence to indicate this was going to be the first of numerous in hopes of causing fear upon military bases the united states over that more is planned, etc.

    There are numerous ways to have evidence that convinces me he's a terrorist.

    To me Muslim who commits crime does not equal Terrorist. I know it suits your political agenda and some people on this forums bigotry to the religion in general to paint it as such, but that's not my definition. Terrorism was around long before Islam and will be around long after it. Its ignorant to tie the definition of terrorism to muslims.

    To me this is no different than a Christian who attends a church of a person that says gays and abortionists are what causd 9/11 going into a gay bar or a abortion clinic and shooting up the place. That too is not someone I'd consider a "terrorist" in and of itself, I'd consider it a religiously motivated murder.

    You're absolutely wrong Tex. There is evidence that will convince me. Its just not been presented yet.

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    Re: Fort Hood Army Massacre Shooter Has Possible 9/11 Link

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    ...Source?
    There is no source. Its his opinion, just like its my opinion he's not a terrorist. Issue is mine is based on principle, his is based on the need to attack Obama. Saying a terrorist attack happened damages Obama more than saying a murder happened.

    10 to 1 I firmly believe many of those here and in the media stressing the need to call this guy a terrorist would still be going after Islam but would be calling it a mass shooting if it was Bush that was still in office because they would want to keep saying how we've had no terrorist attack under him.

    And I'd love to see anyone try to say that I'm somehow pulling for, defending, or supporting Obama's administration or that he's my "Messiah"

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    Re: Fort Hood Army Massacre Shooter Has Possible 9/11 Link

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    ...Source?
    It's a simple extrapolation of the evidence presented thus far.

    We SHOULD view this man as a new kind of terrorist cell. A cell that is radicalized by the Jihadist network yet acts independently of the command structure. It's a lone-wolf tactic that is being cunningly employed by the enemy. Our worse mistake would be to view this as a simple mental breakdown.

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    Re: Fort Hood Army Massacre Shooter Has Possible 9/11 Link

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    It's a simple extrapolation of the evidence presented thus far.

    We SHOULD view this man as a new kind of terrorist cell. A cell that is radicalized by the Jihadist network yet acts independently of the command structure. It's a lone-wolf tactic that is being cunningly employed by the enemy. Our worse mistake would be to view this as a simple mental breakdown.
    You realize one is able to view this as actually being partially religiously caused AND view it as a mass murder not a terrorist act....right?

    Are you saying that Religious Crime = Terrorism? Or do you just hold that position for Muslim Crime = terrorism?

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