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State Worker Beat Up At SEIU Meeting

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State Worker Beat Up At SEIU Meeting For Speaking His Mind - cbs13.com

Nov 6, 2009 9:59 pm US/Pacific

SACRAMENTO (CBS13) ― A state worker is recovering after a bloody brawl at a union hall. He says members of the local SEIU 1000 beat him up and sent him to the hospital all because he wanted to expose allegedl corruption within the union.

Ken Hamidi is a state worker at the California Franchise Tax Board. Last night he walked into a union hall in Sacramento for an SEIU local 1000 meeting.

"We had every right to be here, very simple; it wasn't anything private or anything exclusive," said Hamidi.

But Hamidi says the union members did not want him there.

"Three, four people jumped at me, wrestled with me, then did all that," said Hamidi. "I was covered in blood and then over to the emergency room."

Photos of Hamidi in the hospital show him bloodied from the brawl. So why did this happen? Besides being a state worker, Hamidi says he's an unpaid reporter for a cable access show and a vocal critic of the SEIU. He calls the state workers' union corrupt.
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How is it that to find this story required a search and was not on the nightly news? SEIU rank and file members that pull this stuff will never face any jail time and I would like to know why the law does not apply to any one or any group that supports Obama. It was clear early on when the Black Panthers facing sentencing were released at Obama's orders that we were facing an era of lawlessness for those who support this Socialist administration. If you take the time to read the srory you wil find the last sentence tells a somber story.
No criminal charges have been filed in this case.
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You're going to need something more than anecdotal incidents to validate your anti-labor sentiments, though given your reference to the administration as "socialist" despite its fundamentally capitalist nature, we both know the likelihood of you generating something more substantive. ;)
 
Agnapostate said:
You're going to need something more than anecdotal incidents to validate your anti-labor sentiments, though given your reference to the administration as "socialist" despite its fundamentally capitalist nature, we both know the likelihood of you generating something more substantive. ;)
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Nice try but your typical misrepresentation of what I said will not hold up to the light of day. I never used the word Union and in talking about SEIU I never made an all inclusive statement that could be construed to encompass all Unions.

As to the administration being Socialist I was being generous by leaving Communist out of my statements.
Obama has surrounded himself with self proclaimed Socialists and Communists not to mention wildly dangerous radicals including a convicted Bomber and other jail birds.

As to him being a capitalist, I thank you for the opening to point out his many statements about redistribution of wealth which is by any standard NOT capitalism by any stretch. It is pure but not so simple Socialist/ Communist ideology that is not compatible with our form of Government.

Obama Bombshell Redistribution of Wealth Audio Uncovered - Google Videos

I know the liberals are acting like their sports team won the world championship when it comes to Obama's election but it's time to face the truth that he lied not just to those of us who could see it from the outset but he has lied to you Liberals too and given false hope to many who like those thousands of who lined up on blimd faith and false notions they were going to receive Obama bucks from the Messiah.
It's not easy to admit you have been duped but it's better to come to grips with the facts and the truth than it is to continue to deny the obvious.
To fail to do so early only puts off the inevitable and it does not make the pain easier to take.
 
Councilman said:
Nice try but your typical misrepresentation of what I said will not hold up to the light of day. I never used the word Union and in talking about SEIU I never made an all inclusive statement that could be construed to encompass all Unions.
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Neither did I use the term "union" or claim that you'd made any such statement. I merely commented that you seemed to be promoting some anti-labor sentiment.

Councilman said:
As to the administration being Socialist I was being generous by leaving Communist out of my statements.
Obama has surrounded himself with self proclaimed Socialists and Communists not to mention wildly dangerous radicals including a convicted Bomber and other jail birds.

As to him being a capitalist, I thank you for the opening to point out his many statements about redistribution of wealth which is by any standard NOT capitalism by any stretch. It is pure but not so simple Socialist/ Communist ideology that is not compatible with our form of Government.

Obama Bombshell Redistribution of Wealth Audio Uncovered - Google Videos

I know the liberals are acting like their sports team won the world championship when it comes to Obama's election but it's time to face the truth that he lied not just to those of us who could see it from the outset but he has lied to you Liberals too and given false hope to many who like those thousands of who lined up on blimd faith and false notions they were going to receive Obama bucks from the Messiah.
It's not easy to admit you have been duped but it's better to come to grips with the facts and the truth than it is to continue to deny the obvious.
To fail to do so early only puts off the inevitable and it does not make the pain easier to take.
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Me? I'd have been "duped" if I was a liberal or a Democrat looking for Obama as a source of progressivism, rather than an anarcho-communist who recognized his interest in the preservation of capitalism since the beginning of his campaign. There is nothing even remotely socialist about an administration that does not seek the public ownership and management of the means of production; "wealth redistribution" is nowhere near sufficient to constitute "socialism."
 
Agnapostate said:
You're going to need something more than anecdotal incidents to validate your anti-labor sentiments, though given your reference to the administration as "socialist" despite its fundamentally capitalist nature, we both know the likelihood of you generating something more substantive. ;)
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Anecdotal? The guy was beaten by the goddamn SEIU!
 
union folk beating up people who won't cooperate?

anecdotal

LOL!

why, sometimes union guys beat up others so bad the victims bleed

and the open wounds scab over
 
Very well. Can you refer to any peer-reviewed study that indicates that there is an inordinately high rate of beatings committed by union members or organizers as a result of their political leanings or some related factor? Thanks. ;)
 
Agnapostate said:
Very well. Can you refer to any peer-reviewed study that indicates that there is an inordinately high rate of beatings committed by union members or organizers as a result of their political leanings or some related factor? Thanks. ;)
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Could you provide a peer reviewed article demostrating some connection between Leftists and Reality? (Please submit no references to articles written in crayon.)
 
Oftencold said:
Could you provide a peer reviewed article demostrating some connection between Leftists and Reality? (Please submit no references to articles written in crayon.)
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I'm glad you asked! Refer to Screpanti's Capitalist Forms and the Essence of Capitalism:

This article proposes a classification of capitalist forms on the basis of two concepts, 'property rights regimes' (PRRs) and 'accumulation governance structures' (AGSs). The former defines the way in which the ownership of wealth and surplus value is distributed, the latter the institutional systems governing the uses of surplus value to sustain accumulation. Three PRRs - 'concentrated private property', 'diffused private property' and 'state property' - and four AGSs - 'goods markets', 'companies markets', 'external hierarchies' and 'internal hierarchies' - are defined. Various historical forms of capitalism are described as resulting from particular combinations of PRRs and AGSs. Then a few ideal types are outlined: 'classical capitalism', 'market-oriented corporate capitalism' and 'bank-oriented corporate capitalism'. Finally a hypothesis is advanced as to how capitalism evolves, namely that historical transformations of PRRs and AGSs tend to pave the way for the emergence of 'autonomous capital': accumulation is controlled through complex systems of external hierarchies among firms; the large concerns which are in command of these hierarchical structures are collectively self-owned and formally controlled by their managers through strategic cross-shareholding; no external shareholder exerts effective control.
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If you're able to reach over and turn off Beck for a minute, of course; I know multi-tasking is a high-level skill. :2wave:
 
peer reviewed study, hrmph, indicating inordinately high rates...

of scabs

LOL!
 
Agnapostate said:
I'm glad you asked! Refer to Screpanti's Capitalist Forms and the Essence of Capitalism:



If you're able to reach over and turn off Beck for a minute, of course; I know multi-tasking is a high-level skill. :2wave:
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So you have a Marxist view of capitalism and to you that is one of the only correct things to offer as proof of anything? What if you are not a communist, anti capitalism, America loathing person?


j-mac
 
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DarkWizard12 said:
Anecdotal? The guy was beaten by the goddamn SEIU!
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How do you know that? Because he says so? This is not journalism, and certainly not a police report. The story quotes no one but the victim, and is an example of extremely lazy reporting. The guy could have got beaten up in a gay bar and made up an excuse. Without corroboration, his charges are anecdotal.
 
DarkWizard12 said:
Anecdotal? The guy was beaten by the goddamn SEIU!
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The only thing anecdotal is Agna's leaning as a libertarian. No real libertarian would ever consider Obama a capitalist. :doh
 
WillRockwell said:
How do you know that? Because he says so? This is not journalism, and certainly not a police report. The story quotes no one but the victim, and is an example of extremely lazy reporting. The guy could have got beaten up in a gay bar and made up an excuse. Without corroboration, his charges are anecdotal.
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So now we have to produce police reports? You'll be held to this standard, don't worry.
 
American said:
So now we have to produce police reports? You'll be held to this standard, don't worry.
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If you are going to print with an inflammatory story you need corrorborating facts, be they police reports or other witness interviews. I assume the police were notified about this attack and investigated. Local reporters would have access to police spokesmen. Why were these not included?
 
WillRockwell said:
If you are going to print with an inflammatory story you need corrorborating facts, be they police reports or other witness interviews. I assume the police were notified about this attack and investigated. Local reporters would have access to police spokesmen. Why were these not included?
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So when are you going to start using facts instead of........well......whatever the hell you call your "information"? Hypocrite much?
 
The Prof said:
peer reviewed study, hrmph, indicating inordinately high rates...

of scabs

LOL!
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Damn, I'll take that as a "no." I had such high hopes for you too! :2wave:

j-mac said:
So you have a Marxist view of capitalism and to you that is one of the only correct things to offer as proof of anything? What if you are not a communist, anti capitalism, America loathing person?

j-mac
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I dunno what you can do. I mean, we get discounts on Party t-shirts and all that. If you're missing out on it, you're really missing out on the good life. :shrug:

American said:
The only thing anecdotal is Agna's leaning as a libertarian. No real libertarian would ever consider Obama a capitalist. :doh
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On this very forum, I've explained countless times that the term "libertarian" was used to describe the anarchist movement a century before its misappropriation by U.S. capitalists. Hence, I use it in its "classical" sense and don't acknowledge the nature of its current usage as legitimate.
 
Agnapostate said:
On this very forum, I've explained countless times that the term "libertarian" was used to describe the anarchist movement a century before its misappropriation by U.S. capitalists. Hence, I use it in its "classical" sense and don't acknowledge the nature of its current usage as legitimate.
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In other words, his definition is right and everyone else is wrong, so there....PTTHHH!!!

Ivory tower academic with no basis in modern reality. I also love the demand for Peer Reviewed studies. He wouldn't accept a document from a group that had opposing perspective cause they wouldn't be HIS peers.

:rofl
 
1 Easy Target said:
In other words, his definition is right and everyone else is wrong, so there....PTTHHH!!!

Ivory tower academic with no basis in modern reality. I also love the demand for Peer Reviewed studies. He wouldn't accept a document from a group that had opposing perspective cause they wouldn't be HIS peers.

:rofl
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If you can dispute my comment, feel free to attempt it, as well as offering any research you can refer to whenever I mention it. And actually, I live closer to the Watts Towers and the quite gritty reality that surrounds them. Where do you live? The suburbs or the country; take your pick. :2wave:
 
Agnapostate said:
On this very forum, I've explained countless times that the term "libertarian" was used to describe the anarchist movement a century before its misappropriation by U.S. capitalists. Hence, I use it in its "classical" sense and don't acknowledge the nature of its current usage as legitimate.
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Too bad for you.

The libertarians on this board aren't anarchists nor are we socialists. (the two don't mix, anyway, ya can have the one, or the other, but not both).

Meanwhile, the real story is that the goonion stooges committed felonious assualt on a fellow goonionista because that member like to tattle.

For some reason, the goonionistas here want to pretend this doesn't happen.
 
Agnapostate said:
If you can dispute my comment, feel free to attempt it, as well as offering any research you can refer to whenever I mention it. And actually, I live closer to the Watts Towers and the quite gritty reality that surrounds them. Where do you live? The suburbs or the country; take your pick. :2wave:
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Why bother when you admit that you are using your own definitions of words and concepts? If you "don't acknowledge the nature of its current usage as legitimate" concerning words or phrases that are used in discussion, then there is little chance for meaningful discourse.
 
1 Easy Target said:
Why bother when you admit that you are using your own definitions of words and concepts? If you "don't acknowledge the nature of its current usage as legitimate" concerning words or phrases that are used in discussion, then there is little chance for meaningful discourse.
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That would be the case if I had no sound arguments for challenging the majority definition, but I do. For example, you might be one of the rightists who comically claims that "capitalism" hasn't existed in the U.S. since before the Depression; rather, corporatism has. What ought we to make of that?
 
LaMidRighter said:
So when are you going to start using facts instead of........well......whatever the hell you call your "information"? Hypocrite much?
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Since when does this forum require journalistic standards? We are speaking of an unsubstantiated story, and apparently you don't know the difference between news and a blog.
 
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