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    Re: Obama says it's now Senate's turn on health care

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    aw, c'mon, jackalope

    until you can answer, well, ALL of the following grotesque objections, you're not being entirely serious

    1. half a T cuts to m and m

    2. mandates on individuals to buy that which they can't afford, fines if they don't, jail at the end

    3. unfunded mandates on already bankrupt states, talk to difi and harry

    4. dem governors ritter, gregoire, schweitzer and bill richardson have joined TN's phil bredesen as violent, vehement, vocal objectors to this forcing the states to underwrite hundreds of B's of obama's fantasies

    5. ten years of taxes vs 6 or 7 years of bennies

    6. the doc fixes

    7. 1.4T, including the "fix"

    8. how it's paid for---massive taxes, penalties, fines, mandates

    9. the dire differences between house and senate creations

    10. taxes on small biz and big biz, jobs killer

    11. the fact that the cuts to m and m, huge part of how obama "pays for" crap, will never occur, destroying the deficit

    12. taxes on the rich---dead letter in the senate

    13. taxes on benefits---anathema to unions

    14. taxes on insurers, manufacturers, pharmaceuticals

    15. the incentive for employers to dump coverage

    16. the crafting of all this in secret, dumped on membership and the public always at the last second

    I can answer some of them. But, I'm not feeling inclined to stretch my keyboarding muscles. Good heavens, the behavior of the conservatives on the floor of the House yesterday --- jesus! Combined with the over-the-top signage at Bachman's Tea Rant, and some of the posts I've seen, I just don't care much about the whining lies.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMdlcnK_MI4&feature=player_embedded"]YouTube- Unruly Republicans Disrupt Health Care Debate[/ame]

    I object. I object. I object. I object.

    JUST STFU ! That's the only thing I thought when I saw some of this crap.



    I don't include your posts there, Prof

    Plus, I've been sick the last few days so I'm less patient with nonsense.

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    Re: Obama says it's now Senate's turn on health care

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    The Duma has spoken.
    The Politburo is standing on guard ready to please The Mighty Edsel.

    Welcome to the USSA.

    Cap and Tax and Spend.
    Trillions of government spending.
    Government Motors.
    State run Medical.

    Just a beauty way to go.

    Da?

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    Let's do it for Teddy.
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    Re: Obama says it's now Senate's turn on health care

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    I can answer some of them. But, I'm not feeling inclined to stretch my keyboarding muscles. Good heavens, the behavior of the conservatives on the floor of the House yesterday --- jesus! Combined with the over-the-top signage at Bachman's Tea Rant, and some of the posts I've seen, I just don't care much about the whining lies.

    YouTube- Unruly Republicans Disrupt Health Care Debate

    I object. I object. I object. I object.

    JUST STFU ! That's the only thing I thought when I saw some of this crap.



    I don't include your posts there, Prof

    Plus, I've been sick the last few days so I'm less patient with nonsense.
    Opposition was silenced in the Soviet Union too, comrade.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

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    Re: Obama says it's now Senate's turn on health care

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Opposition was silenced in the Soviet Union too, comrade.
    Tell that to your conservative troll comrades in the House, comrade. You know, the ones who tried to shut up the political opposition and not allow them to be heard.



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    Re: Obama says it's now Senate's turn on health care

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    What evidence do you have that they DIDN'T vote their constituencies wishes on this matter? Michaud certainly did, and so did Sanchez, and so did many many many more of the blue dogs who voted aye.
    Well... theplumline links gives a 404 error. So scratch that one.

    http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/he...on-is-popular/


    This link (below) speculates only as it says...

    "Ross's district itself, the Arkansas 4th, has not been polled publicly."


    So they try and use logistic regression via how these districts voted for Obama and how much poverty they have, and come out with bogus nonsense numbers.

    http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/...is-likely.html

    Not sure what the Google search link is supposed to prove ... just that Democrats are trying to do damage control for the 24 members who voted for the hijacking of liberty in the United States? Daily Kos is apparently on board with it so it must be non-biased.

    http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=...856a575d939ef4

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but blue dog Democrats are conservative leaning Democrats who primarily are elected in conservative leaning State districts, correct? And since your wonderful 3 links do not provide fact, but are hoping to validate - "likely popular" meaning, not sure and speculative... how about we wait and see? Unless of course you have a district by district breakdown the proves the contrary.... which you don't.

    Keep towing that party line. Obama needs you now more than ever.
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    Re: Obama says it's now Senate's turn on health care

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Let's do it for Teddy.


    That was a good one!

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    Re: Obama says it's now Senate's turn on health care

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    until you can answer, well, ALL of the following grotesque objections, you're not being entirely serious

    1. half a T cuts to m and m
    I'll take the first one, just to show how dishonest the arguments coming from the GOP are.

    These "cuts" would not be in Medicare, but in the Medicare Advantage program, which is actually a giveaway to private insurance.

    Medicare Advantage is a private health insurance program that was designed to compete with the government-run Medicare but never has, it's costs have always been much higher.

    MEDICARE vs. MEDICARE ADVANTAGE - washingtonpost.com

    Such plans were introduced in the 1970s in an effort to cut Medicare costs. However, as the government sought to add coverage in underserved -- often rural -- areas, costs soared. According to the independent Medicare Payment Advisory Commission, Medicare Advantage now costs the government 14 percent more per beneficiary than traditional Medicare.
    All the house HC bill does is move people off these plans back to actual medicare, saving the taxpayers billions in waste.

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    Re: Obama says it's now Senate's turn on health care

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Let's do it for Teddy.
    Teddy... the guy who liked to write letters to the Commies.

    Let's not... and say we did.
    Y'know... behave like a Democrat

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    when you have NO MORAL COMPASS.

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    Re: Obama says it's now Senate's turn on health care

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe1991 View Post
    I'll take the first one, just to show how dishonest the arguments coming from the GOP are.

    These "cuts" would not be in Medicare, but in the Medicare Advantage program, which is actually a giveaway to private insurance.

    Medicare Advantage is a private health insurance program that was designed to compete with the government-run Medicare but never has, it's costs have always been much higher.

    MEDICARE vs. MEDICARE ADVANTAGE - washingtonpost.com

    All the house HC bill does is move people off these plans back to actual medicare, saving the taxpayers billions in waste.
    no, joe, while it's true that medicare advantage is gonna be killed there are also massive cuts to m and m proper

    and killing m-adv is hardly a winning defense

    the prez has said now at least 50 times he gets 2/3 of his savings out of shaving wfa outta m and m

    half a T cuts to m and m---premise to questions posed today by david gregory (mtp), stephy (this week), john king (cnn), chris wallace (fox)

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    Re: Obama says it's now Senate's turn on health care

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    Quit speaking another language, it's against the board's TOS.

    And, you're an assuming so and so, aren't you? The bulk of my schooling was in PRIVATE schools.

    And the conservatives are still WATBs. H O L Y C R A P.

    Their 'shenanigans' on the floor of the House yesterday were a sight. The signage at their 'tea parties' is disgusting. And the posts I've seen around the net about this health care bill. OH MY GAWDS. wah wah wah wah
    Well... you must have done a lot of sleeping during class. Or was your school sponsored by Trinity United Church? Then I understand.

    What is disgusting is what you folks are doing to The United States of America.

    Where do you find the ability to do this under The Constitution?

    Nowhere... but you folks don't care.

    The only good thing is if this gets defeated totally... you SAPs will OWN it 100%

    What a perverted mess.

    The price of ignorance... the price of ignorance.
    Last edited by zimmer; 11-08-09 at 08:55 PM.
    The Clintons are what happens...
    when you have NO MORAL COMPASS.

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